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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2505
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 08:31 pm: | 
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The Simplest and Best Engine ever Built
1899
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billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 375
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 09:20 pm: |
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I think it has more than 4 moving parts. |
robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 397
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2010 - 09:31 pm: |
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Not much there now. Original brick paving though:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
1500 Woodbridge St. Detroit MI
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2513
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:24 pm: |
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Google today Dec 20,2010
Sintz Gas Engine Co. Building
155 Woodbridge St Detriot, Michigan
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2515
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 08:46 am: |
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The photo of the building in the above post
is in error it is 1500 woodbridge not 155 !
Roberts post above, Not much there now is correct. Sorry about that !
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2517
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 08:52 am: |
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1899
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billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 379
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 09:23 am: |
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I love the use of the term "electric gasoline engine" to separate them from the naphtha engines that were available. |
robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 399
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 12:24 pm: |
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Richard, it seems the street numbers have been changed, perhaps by the addition of a digit, so what is now 1500 may be very close to what was 150 in those days. Just a guess on my part though. A little scanning around in streets and trips shows what a desert that area is now. Very sad. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2518
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 12:47 pm: |
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I have no knowlege of the area, it looks on Google earth as if the lower few blocks of the street was cut off for a modern corporate center possbly General motors facillities, interesting that Jefferson ave probably the most productive engine, auto, etc street in the US runs paralell to Woodbridge.
Sintz was definately ahead of the times with a rather perfected Gasolene engine when the others were still concerned with steam and naphtha power ?
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ernie
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Username: ernie
Post Number: 1299
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 08:51 am: |
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Most likely 150 Woodbridge is now the Detroit RenCen. RenCen was named and I would guess at least partially funded by not so Generous Motors. The bottom end of Woodbridge is now Renaissance Dr North. The numbering on these 2 streets seems to be contigous and Ren Dr N numbers start at 304 on the south end so that puts 150 under the RenCen complex. Looking at historical Detroit maps number 1 Woodbridge would have been what is now Cobo Hall. Woodbridge ran south all the way to Wayne St which now appears to be Washington Blvd or Cass Ave. If you want to dig furthur just Google Historical Detroit Maps |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2519
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 10:29 am: |
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I was looking at some photos of Detroit and Jefferson Ave in the 1950's researching Hudson cars, living in a non industrial area of the U.S.
it is fascinating to see the motor city in its heyday, still amazes me what men can do with the minerals of the earth !
A search in data base came up with some interesting stats
Marine Engine Mfgrs up to 1940
The "Wolverine State" Michigan 268
The "Motor City" Detroit 135
The "Keystone State" Pennsylvania 86
The "Buckeye State" Ohio 83
The "Garden State" New Jersey 58
The "Maple Leaf Country" Canada 114
The "Constitution State" Connecticut 74
The "Empire State" New York 288
The "North Star State" Minnesota 28
The Sunshine State" Florida 0
When considering cars, trucks, industrial engines Detroit is without question The Great "Motor City" in the U.S.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2520
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 11:08 am: |
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Ernie,Just realised I omitted
The "Bay State" Massachusetts 112
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johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 367
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 12:17 pm: |
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The street numbers on Jefferson Avenue were renumbered in 1921. So there is a very good chance that other street numbers and names were changed also. Did some research on this a few years back and if I remember correctly the request to change the street numbers came from the Detroit Fire Marshall. |
johnny
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Username: johnny
Post Number: 368
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 12:21 pm: |
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The street numbers on Jefferson Avenue were renumbered in 1921. So there is a very good chance that other street numbers and names were changed also. Did some research on this a few years back and if I remember correctly the request to change the street numbers came from the Detroit Fire Marshall.
One of the Detroit Engine Works adverts state that their engines have only two moving parts. Go figure that one out. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2521
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 02:09 pm: |
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This is not to be written in stone but didn't want to leave anyone out. probably as close as 1-2% error margin, the west coast may not be as accurate due to lack of information sources, This is always a work in progress !
Richard Durgee
Subject: Number of marine Eng mfgrs of North America up to 1940 by state
Alabama 0
Alaska 0
Arizona 0
Arkansas 0
California 82
Colorado 0
Connecticut 74
Delaware 9
District of Columbia 0
Florida 0
Georgia 4
Idaho 0
Illinois 87
Indiana 54
Iowa 20
Kansas 1
Kentucky 6
Louisiana 6
Maine 29
Maryland 19
Massachusetts 112
Michigan 269
Minnesota 29
Mississippi 0
Missouri 1
Montana 0
Nebraska 3
Nevada 0
New Hampshire 5
New Jersey 58
New Mexico 0
New York 288
North Carolina 0
North Dakota 1
Ohio 83
Oklahoma 0
Oregon 2
Pennsylvania 86
Rhode Island 13
South Carolina 0
South Dakota 0
Tennessee 1
Texas 0
Utah 0
Vermont 2
Virginia 8
Washington 35
West Virginia 0
Wisconsin 80
Wyoming 0
Canada 115
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robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 400
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 10:58 pm: |
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115 marine engine builders in Canada?!
Or did I misunderstand? |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2522
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 - 03:04 pm: |
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Actually when I went through the Canadian
listings one by one I came up with 116, 14 of these entries are in British Columbia .
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2523
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 01:30 am: |
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Robert
Here's a Vancouver Name That's probably not seen the light of day for a half century or so ?
1930
Google Earth
1127 Granville Street Vancouver
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robert
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Username: robert
Post Number: 401
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 02:23 am: |
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I'd be very interested to see that list. I might be able to add one or two names...
I believe that company was a reseller rather than a manufacturer. |
billschaller
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Username: billschaller
Post Number: 380
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 09:14 am: |
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Looks like there is a name on the side cover. |
richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2524
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 10:20 am: |
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Robert your email address is not on your profile,
mine is, send me an email so that I have your return address.
"Reseller or Manufacturer" Is a slippery slope that I slid down 40 yrs ago when collecting and researching deep sea diving helmets and equipment companies on a world wide basis,with less than 100 names it still forced the question ? Who designed it ? Who actally cast, spun,molded, turned,asssembled, tested, inventoried, sold, and provided parts, service, warranties etc.
A purist will argue a true Manufacturer has to do them All? There were a few names that could meet this test but not many. Marine engine manufacturers that qualify could probably be counted on both hands !
Ferro Machine Co. in Cleveland Could have Qualified, in house design, their own foundry and machine shop, their own carburetors, as well as managing parts, catalogs,sales etc.
MotorGo (Sears & Roebuck)on the opposite side of the spectrum sold many different marine engines over the years and never touched a drawing board, or cast iron part in the process ? Would we leave them out of a list of engine mfgrs ?
In formulating a list of marine engine mfgrs for the collector/restorers/ museums etc does it matter who cast the cylinder or the pistons or forged the crank ?
I think of the word "Manufacturer" as an Archetype in the Jungian definition, a word that generally brings to mind a person or Company that provided engines to the market place under their name !
Blanck's in the above post is in my list with a question mark untill I can find additional info as to whether they were selling engs with other names on them or rebadged with the Blanck's name ? Local Knowlege, catalogs,photos, articles in publications or one of the old engs showing up with a name in the casting or a name plate sorts it out.
If 100 people read this i'm sure there will be 100 opinions, I,m listening .
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 2525
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 10:45 am: |
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Bill Good eyes, i'll try to blow up the photo or I.D the engine and try to determine what the name is !
Stan Grayson Says this is Industrial Detective work ! |
billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller
Post Number: 381
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 12:15 pm: |
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Sears did in fact manufacture their own farm engines for a few years, they were unhappy with what they were buying, and decided they could do it themselves.
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/hercnews/Hercnews796.html |
