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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos

Post Number: 873
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm restoring a Pierce inverted twin, it was done a while back, but it was evidently weather beaten, pits in the flywheel and crank painted over. The flywheel was pitted and wobbled, the crank was pitted in exposed areas, the journals and keyways were worn. I decided to make a new crank rather than try to repair the old one. I machined the rim of the flywheel and bored it .020" over to get it to run true. The belt groove in the flywheel will run the low tension generator, I'm guessing that is what it was there for. I ground the crank .020" over in the flywheel area, got a nice snug fit.
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billschaller
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Username: billschaller

Post Number: 590
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

very nice, one of my long term collecting goals is to get an inverted at some time.
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richarddurgee
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Post Number: 3236
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Another fine piece of castagnos mechanical art work, what I like about this crankshaft is when its in the engine we can still see some of it !

Great Work !


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billschaller
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Post Number: 591
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now I remember, I want this inverted.



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jb_castagnos
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Post Number: 874
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Bill & Richard. The crank and flywheel are the main focal points of this engine, I wanted them to look nice.
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ernie
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Username: ernie

Post Number: 1800
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Monday, February 24, 2014 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NEAT!
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miro
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Post Number: 744
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Monday, February 24, 2014 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JB - I reckon this will be one of the feature pieces of the visit.
Surely must be one of the more interesting and well done engines.

miro
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jb_castagnos
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Post Number: 875
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Miro, I liked these engines when I first saw them in Lindseys Publications, didn't know what they were. I won't have this one running but John Smietana's is running well now, he'll have it going.
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raa
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 02-2007


Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One sweet looking engine JB hope to see it running in a month
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rbprice
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Username: rbprice

Post Number: 451
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JB - will you be able to remove the gear that is on the old crankshaft and then press it back on the new one?

Bob
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jb_castagnos
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Post Number: 876
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Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 06:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Transferring it would be easy Bob, but it is in bad shape, I would like to buy or make a new one.
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rbprice
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Post Number: 452
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK - send me the particulars and let's see what I can come up with.
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raa
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Username: raa

Post Number: 78
Registered: 02-2007


Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2014 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let me know if I can help with your gear. Have you looked in the Boston or Martin books? If you send it up I could get one of the local guys Carmona to make it for you.

cheers

Dick
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rbprice
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Post Number: 453
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Based on the info you gave me JB the gear is 14 DP, 14.5 Press. Angle, OD is 3.143. The 14 DP is going to be hard to find. I will look and see if a standard lathe change gear might work but it probably won't have a 0.500 face width.
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rbprice
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Username: rbprice

Post Number: 454
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As I suspected, the 14 DP tooth size is hard to find. This link http://www.msdiscount.com/columnar.aspx?cat_id=7130&category_site=STARTOOL
will take you to a company that has a cutter that you could use to make one but the cutter is $135 or so. Let me check and see if Ash Gear might have a rental cutter that would work but that would still be in the $50 - $75 range. But with this info, Dick Alcock's friend could make you one, if he has the right cutter, for a more reasonable price.
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raa
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Post Number: 79
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Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JB turn up a blank and send it and the old gear to me and I'll get her down to Carmona Gear for you.

Dick
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rbprice
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Post Number: 455
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would it be prudent to ask if Carmona Gear has a 14 DP cutter?
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raa
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Post Number: 80
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Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

14.5pa and 14 dp not a problem he has most of the old popular sizes in 14.5pa

full ahead

dick
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jb_castagnos
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Post Number: 877
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob, thanks for the help. I have a 14dp cutter but it's in the 25 tooth range, Dick is going to check with Carmona. I found a cutter in Australia, about $50 to get it here, may have the gear cut for less.
J.B.
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rbprice
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Post Number: 456
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Friday, February 28, 2014 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have asked my friendly gear cutter to provide a quotation. If nothing else, it will serve as a baseline.

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