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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos

Post Number: 928
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These patterns are just about finished, the wood was glued together with newspaper between them, they should split to place them on a board. The straps were pretty easy so I made two of them, reduces the cost. The pumps will fit a 2 1/2 hp Lockwood Ash, the straps fit the 2 1/2 and 6.
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terry_harper
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Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The patterns look great! Can't wait to see the finished castings. The paper trick works wonders. I use the brown wrapping paper which works very well.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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J.B.

Pieces look Great !

Do they have to be oversized to compensate
for shrinkage when cast ?

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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks. I figure one percent shrinkage for cast iron, two percent for brass. Cast iron comes to about 1/8" per foot, so on small patterns like this it's not critical, when using old parts for a pattern you build up the machined areas, this helps to compensate.
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I split the pump tonight, went as planned.

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marion
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Registered: 03-2013
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

An example of great craftsmanship.
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The core box is about finished, came out OK.
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rbprice
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Post Number: 462
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2014 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What do you for a binder in the cores JB?
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2014 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob, what you're looking at is a "core stick", a positive of the core. It's made of dowel rods. The core box is formed by pouring Replicate, a two part plastic, around it, one half at a time. It has to be coated with a release agent and removed at the correct time or it's in there forever. The foundry will make the cores using this box.
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 06:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I got the sample runs back from the foundry, they look good, cores are all well centered, after machining I'll place an order. The pump fits a 2-1/2hp Lockwood Ash-Nadler, the straps fit 2-1/2 &6hp. The bearing shells are experimental, going to machine and Babbitt line them for the 8hp engines, We've had some bearing failures on these engines, trying to make something more durable.
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rbprice
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Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What bronze alloy did they use JB?
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billschaller
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wasn't the original a belt drive?




Or thermo siphon?



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david_doyle
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 03-2013
Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

really appreciate your sharing this process. I very keen to see the rest of the process of building the pump. check valves etc.
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If anyone needs pumps, straps, or eccentrics let me know, would like to have them all cast at once.
Bob, the material is leaded bronze, excellent machine ability, good color.
Bill, that pump is an add on, L-A always yused a piston pump.
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billschaller
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Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

J.B. thanks to you, some day there will be a number of running engines up near 10,000 lakes. I certainly need at least two pumps, maybe more.
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david_doyle
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Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

yeah rare opportunity here. Email sent.

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