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denis_rouleau
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Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Champion marine engines were built in Newfoundland during 1919. I've not seen a marine Champion engine yet but I was contacted by someone claiming to own a Champion and its serial number on the name tag is No.1.

Are there any vintage ads out there depicting the Champion? Better yet, any pictures of an actual Champion?

When/if I get pictures of Champion No.1 I will post them here.

Denis Rouleau
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tom
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Below is link to some ads of engines offered in Newfoundland in the early part or the 1900's
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150700458610992&set=oa.101506889871462 02&type=1&theater

I haven't come across any reference to Champion. Would love to see a pic if you get one.
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denis_rouleau
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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are 2 ads from January 1919 found in the St. John's Daily Star. Sounded like the name "Champion Machine & Motor Works" was first used in January 1919.

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/19190113sjds.jpg

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/19190118sjds.jpg

In my opinion, some of the claims made in the second ad were not true as no factory had been built in January 1919.

Denis Rouleau
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denis_rouleau
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Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As promised last week, here are 4 pictures of the "CHAMPION" built in St. John's, Newfoundland:

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/Champion1a.jpg

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/Champion1b.jpg

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/Champion1c.jpg

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/Champion1d.jpg

As I am not an expert in marine engines, I don't know if the Champion as unique features only found on this make OR if you guys think it is just a re-badged engine from some other engine builder?

You comments will be most appreciated!

Thank you!

Denis Rouleau
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bgoss
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Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for following up with the photos, Denis.

Great looking engine with some interesting features. Do you have a close-up of the tag?

Blair
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denis_rouleau
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Blair, I do not have a close-up of the tag but I have requested one. The Champion is in Newfoundland and for sale. I've never been to Newfoundland before and it would cost a lot just for the FERRY. Plus I might be sea sick on the ferry for 12 hours.

Denis Rouleau
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tom
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I didn't realize it was still in Newfoundland. Nice pic of it. What part of Newfoundland? I picked up a Knox in St Mary's Bay last year.
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denis_rouleau
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Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2013 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom, the CHAMPION is actually near St. John's. Can you tell me how it works to travel on a ferry, in the ocean for such a long trip? Is it very expensive?
Thanks!
Denis Rouleau
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tom
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Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2013 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Year-round vehicle and passenger ferry service is provided by Marine Atlantic between North Sydney, Nova Scotia, and Port aux Basques, Newfoundland. Crossing time is 6 hours. (This ferry connects with the trans-island bus service operated by DRL Coach Lines.) About 9 hour drive to St. John's.

From mid-June to mid-September, an additional ferry operates between North Sydney and Argentia in eastern Newfoundland, which are 45 kilometres from Route 1 and 131 kilometres from the provincial capital of St. John's. Crossing time is 12-14 hours. About 2 hour drive to St. John's

Site below give you rates:

http://www.marine-atlantic.ca/rates.asp
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denis_rouleau
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Almost 3 years after being told of this "Champion" marine engine, it arrived here this morning. As promised here is a picture of its name tag.

http://buzzcoil.brinkster.net/Champion/championa.JPG

Denis Rouleau
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tom
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2018 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Picked up a 6 hp Champion today.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10161267465115122&set=pcb.14090580325576 53&type=3&theater&ifg=1
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2018 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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These engines were only made for the years
1918 & 1919

William H.and Cecil Trask made them, they were the Son's of Foundry owner L.M.Trask.

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tom
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Richard, do you have any literature on them? Do you know what hp they made? A short lifespan for this engine.
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richarddurgee
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This 1919 ad is the only info in my files.
They were entered 15 yrs ago and I have not researched "Champion" since.
if you search there was another Champion marine engine made in late 1890's in Chicago that may pop up ??
This info says that Champion made oil engines and that the smaller engine like yours were dual fuel--Gas & Kerosene ??

Definitely more old marine engine history to discover about this maker ??

278959,C9

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tom
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Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you Richard. I was told that the engine was found in the basement by the new owner of the house. When he inquired about it, he was told that the gentleman that owned the house had the engine checked and new babbit prior to stowage. It is still free and seems to be missing only the carb. Going have to check on the magneto warranty :-)

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