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richarddurgee
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Post Number: 1138
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Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1911 ad

Edward Grimm mfgd these engines under his name untill 1912- became Peerless Marine Motor Co.also in Buffalo !


G11
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jb_castagnos
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Post Number: 137
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, doesn't this engine look like a bargain compared to similar engines of this time? The weight seems very low for a six cylinder. The Fisherman is 6hp, 600lbs.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paige-Detroit Motor Car Company, I just recently added this mfgr to my list.

This marine engine had the flywheel spokes cast as fan blades ? $225

1911 ad

PDMCO
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billschaller
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Post Number: 64
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

like this?




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billschaller
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It looks like that air compressor flywheel is correct, it's a good thing I didn't remove it and throw it away. Richard, any chance you can email me a high resolution copy of that ad?
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill

That's Great to get a name on that rare old engine !

Wonder if thats the same engine mfgr that made the Graham-Paige automobiles ??

I'll email the ad.
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billschaller
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paige-Detroit (1909-27): Harry Jewett made a fortune in mining around the turn of the century and decided to try the same in the then infant auto industry. He acquired a car designed by Andrew Bachle which was being promoted by Fred O. Paige.

Since Jewett didn't know much about autos, he installed Paige as president of his newly formed Paige-Detroit Motor Car Co. in 1909. In 1910, having learned a bit about cars, he decided that the Paige was "a piece of junk" and fired Paige, took over himself and hired a new engineering department to design a new car. The new car was a vast improvement on the older one and Paige sales gradually picked up. The first six-cylinder Paige appeared in 1915.

The Paige gained a reputation for graceful styling and good performance. A smaller companion car was introduced in 1922, named after the president and founder, Harry Jewett.

In 1927, Jewett decided he had had enough of the auto business and sold the company to the Graham brothers, Joseph B., Robert C., and Ray A., who reorganized it as Graham-Paige Motors Corp.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1911 Marine engine classifieds


C11
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billschaller
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,
thanks a lot, you really made my day. That engine is a non-conventional marine, and I have always wondered why it was built like it was. It was obviously built by a company that had a big engineering staff, it sure wasn't put together by a one person blacksmith shop. It makes sense if it was a car motor, that was adapted to marine use. I am now going to waste a bunch of time looking it up.

http://www.wcroberts.org/index.html
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billschaller
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like their first car, in 1910 to 1911 had a 3 cylinder in it. so, they must have had a bunch left over, or wanted to explore a new market, with the marine engine.

http://www.wcroberts.org/Images/Chiles_01.gif
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1911 article that goes with the Paige-Detroit ad above

PD1
PD2
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billschaller
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Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A little more history of the first paige. Of course, maybe I have a car motor, not a marine motor.

http://www.wcroberts.org/Paige_History/1910_Paige-Detroit.html
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keith
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 02-2002


Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,
Here is a picture of a Peerless made in Buffalo, NY. It's a 2 cylinder 4 cycle.
Peerless
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keith

From my notes on Grimm and Peerless!

This T Head engine was the first style that Peerless made 1912-14 with the integral frame for the engine and open Joe's Gear. 1915's and later had enclosed gear !
Peerless had a standard series engine (like your photo above) and a fancier model with magneto and mechanical oiler !

1913 Peerless Stbd side
PSTBD13

1913 Peerless Port side
PPort13
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keith
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Post Number: 113
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Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the Ad's Richard. My engine has the mechanical oiler but no ignition. Would be nice to find that mag.

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