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kirk
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Username: kirk

Post Number: 6
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My first 1 cyl marine inboard just followed me home. Can anyone identify what I have? It appears to be complete, but I can't find any tags, serial #s, or casting #s.

Thanks...

Chris



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jb_castagnos
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Username: jb_castagnos

Post Number: 280
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Possibly a Termat & Monihan. Try it in the search at the top of the page, there were a few of these discussed before.
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richardday
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Username: richardday

Post Number: 518
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If there is evidence of an oval shaped tag having been on the engine I would say T&M as JB suggests Later versions were Detroits with a rectangular plate. Note this engine has a wet exhaust and at the bottom of the exhaust exspansion chamber is the excess water drain that keep cooling water from building up in the exspansion chamber. When this engine is run it throws a nice messy black spray all over the neighborhood. It is intended to be run in a boat with the exhaust pipe cooled by some of the jacket water and out the stern. Ernie show me a way to make up a plate between the exspansion chamber and the cylinder to by-pass the water out of the exspansion chamber so the engine can be run at a show. This modification doesn't hurt the value of the engine as removal of the plate permits returning the engine to original configuration.
This engine came on stream before they had learned to mix oil in the gas and it may have the tapped NPT hole where the drip oiler would have been mounted on the starboard forward lower portion of of the cylinder skirt. Don't run it with out mixing oil in the gas. The grease cup should be cleaned out carefully checked to make sure that the grease in the crankshaft is still good. The grease cup lubricates the big end of the con rod and in operation one would grab the grease cup every few mins to give a shot of grease to the con rod. Not a very reliable way to insure adequate grease to con rod in my opinion.
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kirk
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Username: kirk

Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks to JB and Richard for their responses. A few questions:

1) I've included a picture of the timing mechanism - my understanding is that this engine is run off of a buzz coil. Is that a corrrect assumption, and if so, is the timing mecanism complete? If not, what am I missing? I can email a bigger picture if the one attached is too small.

2) Is literature available for this engine? I'd like to learn what the outlets are for so that I can put the engine on a cart and plumb a cooling tank.

3) Should I add an oiler to this engine even if I mix oil and gas? There is a 1/8" NPT plug on the lower starboard side of the cylinder.

4) There are drain plugs for the crankcase, one on the side, and one on the bottom...do I have to add oil to the crankcase as with a conventional engine? If so, how much?

5) I have complete pictures of the engine from several angles...I'd like to know if this engine is missing anything...if someone would be willing to help me, I can send them via email.

Thanks to all...

Chris

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andrew
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Username: andrew

Post Number: 1328
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kirk,

When you post a respose related to this discussion please use the box below "Add your message here..." instead of going back to the main category and clicking "start new discussion".

That way the conversation about your engine will stay in one continuous list as you see above. I moved your post here so they would be together.

Nice looking engine, and nice job posting the pictures.

Hopefully someone can help you with your questions above.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 962
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kirk

At the top of this discussion page go to "Store"
and order a copy of "Palmer Gas Engine Handbook" by Richard Day, it will answer your questions and be very helpful in running your old marine engine !

email your photos to me I'll post them here and we can see if all the parts are there, I think we can also date the engine !
oceanblu@adelphia.net
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richardday
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Post Number: 519
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I my opinion you should not drip oil it will simply add more oil than you need. The plug in the bottom of the crankcase is intended to have a petcock where you can drain any excess oil off from time to time. Do not, repeat do not put oil in the crankcase. Richard is right the handbook will show you how to wire up the buzz coil for you engine. Make sure the connections are clean and not all rusted up. You will find Tips a big help in trying to get your engine running.
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richarddurgee
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Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 963
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kirk's Termaat & Monahan Marine Engine Photos

T1

T2

T3

T4

T5

With the details of the photos This looks to be a very original ( including the green paint on the cylinder) and complete engine, the lever timer, the wet exhaust and the two bolt flat flanged packing gland on the water/pump dates this one 1906 !
My two cents worth , don't paint it don't change it, just run it and take care of it. ! Very nice Old Marine engine !!
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HarryN
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Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a similar engine, with 2 packing adjuster nuts, but my rectangular exhaust casting has the large outlet on the rear of the casting and my timer is a short pivoting lever up high in front on a tall rod/supports. Date ?? I'll try pictures in a day or 2.
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HarryN
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Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've put pictures of my similar engine on the Unknown Engine discussion board with my questions.

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