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andrew
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Post Number: 550
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Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The following came in by email:

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Hello from Newcastle Australia.

Thought someone may have an interest in this motor. Its at the Great Lakes Historical Museum at Tuncurry New South Wales. (300km from Sydney.) Attached are three photos, one has info on the motors history.

Please ignore the date on the photos. They were taken January 2006 whilst on holidays in the area.

Regards, PZ.
zuljans@smartchat.net.au



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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

PZ
Thanks for the photos and history of the Niagara, not many of these around in any country.
That syle of engine oiler was first used on niagara's about 1910. I'll look for old ads 1912-13 and post them here in a few days!
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NIAGARA 1913

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rgvrr
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Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I checked my Niagara archives and everything i have is from the 1920's showing newer engines.

I did find this 1913 Letterhead with an engine. The letter states that they have Succeded the Niagara Gasolene Motor Company of Buffalo.

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More History

1904 Ducro Manufacturing Company of Buffalo N.Y.
made marine engines with Tradename "Niagara". early 1910 they became Niagara Gasoline Motor Company.

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1909 Ducro Niagara 15 Hp.

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rgvrr
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Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,

Would it be safe to say that the early engines manufatured by Niagara Motors in Dunkirk were of the Ducro "design"?

Do you have any idea when they changed?

Thanks,

John
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Niagara made changes in their engines over the years, visibly in the external oiler systems and manifolds, the new style enbloc,internal oil pump, flat head engs came in 1921.

Nenb
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rgvrr
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a 1911 ad, prior to relocation to Dunkirk.

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rbprice
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Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can anyone identify the carburetor in this picture of the Niagara special engine?

Thanks a bunch

Bob NIAGARA SPECIAL ENGINE
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Bob

Do a little research on a ZENITH T4X Carburetor.

Welcome to The rather small group of Niagara Marine Engine Owners !

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rbprice
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Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wiil do that Richard and thanks very much for the list of carbs vs. years for this engine.

Bob
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ldobbins
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Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know if there were ANY ties between early Niagara and the very early Sterling engines?

When looking at pre-1909 engines of both companies, the similarities are amazing in castings, oilers, appliances etc. The crank case man hole covers, oiler, distributor (timer) and magneto 90 degree drive hardware are all just too close. Flywheels look like the same castings, cylinders and water plumbing are so close!

Anyone ever noticed this too? Did they share a common foundry and a lot of patterns?

Cheers,

Lew
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Lew,I have wondered about the ties between these different early eng Companies,my eng list has 30 names in Buffalo,N.Y. if you look at these engs as you said they just have to much in common to not notice. Put photos of A Buffalo, Ducro Niagara, Sterling, Peerless etc next to each other and no denying they came from same roots, I have to believe that in a localized mfging area that these early designers and machinists had to apprentice somewhere and a common line of thinking prevailed. These individual eng companies when outsourcing castings of all kinds were also dealing with local foundries and they too had their own ideas and designs that worked for them and could be made to similar fashion at competitive pricing.
Skip due east to Syracuse,N.Y area and this early marine eng commonality is probably even more evident, Barber, Parker,Baldwin, Syracuse, Wonder ,Van Epps,Watertown, LLoyd etc-- do these engs not come from a common design & mfging root source ??
Early west coast marine engs also had their common traits, No two strokes were made here, early engs all 4 cycle, heavily made slow turning, large flywheels, etc
it seems that this process of taking a given mousetrap, improving it, manufacturing & promoting it is the common history of most mfging
throughout the world !
When reading about most of the truley inventive geniuses they in turn thrived on creative ideas and most were not motivated to start and run mfging companies but sold their ideas or partnered with others that had the money and temperament to exploit these inventions.
Yesterday I was standing in the mall parking lot and this very subject was on my mind, looking at the cars I honestly can't tell without seeing a logo if its a japanese, European or American made,Its now a global phenomenon that mfgd products have
this commonality ?


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