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bgoss
Advanced Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 34
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 07:54 pm: | 
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We just picked this little gem up at Portland last week. JB was around and was able to help identify it as a Pierce (ignore the flywheel as it is a wooden pattern).
I did a search through the site here and can't find anything just like it. Many of the Pierce engines have a blind/dome head. Keith's Racine engine is much different again with the piston trip mechanism.
Any help with other photos/literature would be appreciated. Any ideas on age? Would it have had the Pierce flywheel with raised letters?
Thanks. Blair
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john_archibald
Senior Member
Username: john_archibald
Post Number: 78
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 07:59 pm: |
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Blair,
What a little gem!
I suppose the bronze arm with the arc is an ignition timing device, perhaps giving reverse???
Regards,
Archibald
Northfield, Minnesota
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jb_castagnos
Senior Member
Username: jb_castagnos
Post Number: 387
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 08:49 pm: |
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Blair, the PIERCE is cast into the flywheel, if you have someone to cast it you can use mine as a pattern. We don't have anyone doing cast iron around here, the flywheel ads to the looks of the engine. Go to this post,
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/3428/104458.html
about halfway down you will see Dickie Gibbens Peirce, it's a larger engine but the flywheel is similar. |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1783
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 25, 2008 - 09:49 pm: |
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Cool old marine Engine and the only one of these I've seen with the original cast warm air intake manifold !
Pierce was one of the older marine engine mfgrs and their designs changed with the advance of technical knowlege, the engines with the removable heads were older than the headless ones. As a rule of thumb I use the year 1906 as a general reference point. yours in above posts is approx 1904-05- this is a 1905 ad.
1905
This is a similar engine in the Clayton Boat museum in Clayton, New York, I took this photo in 2002 and have always remembered it because It must have been extremly hard to start with the carburetor screwed into the exhaust port ??
This is "Yours Truly" but the only shot that shows the intake side- also some of the surounding engines !
A few more of the engs!
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miro
Senior Member
Username: miro
Post Number: 339
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 10:24 am: |
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Blair, there is a Menonite foundry that does cast iron in Floradale north of Elmira.
If you have a pattern they'll give it a try.
Priced usually per pound of cast iron.
Dodington and i visited and had them cast some smaller parts.
Their main line of business is cast iron parts for wood burning stoves and ovens. The place is great - just like an old foundry. But they are good - they Blanchard grind their stove tops.
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bgoss
Advanced Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 09:13 pm: |
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Wow. That's a great help. The guys on here never cease to amaze.
Archibald - You're correct, the brass quadrant on the front is for advance and retard. But rather than just a contact on a fibre at it's base, it has a set of points that runs off an eccentric on the crank.
 
JB - Thanks for the offer of the pattern. We'll likely take you up on that to make the engine complete. I'll be in touch. The Mystic07 thread killed my dial-up, but I did make it down to the Pierce.
Richard - Thanks for posting that ad. It answered another question that I was going to ask about the two holes into the cylinder near the bottom of the stroke. We had two oilers installed, one on each side, and thought that it looked like overkill...I guess we'll put the second one back in.
The intake air warmer goes all the way around the cylinder before traveling through that little cast trunk and into the carb.
Miro - Thanks, I believe that is the foundry that we have used for a larger stationary flywheel in the past. Lately we've been making more trips to the brass, bronze and aluminum foundry for small stuff.
Is there a chance that the greaser plumbing for the main bearings is correct? Someone did a real nice job of matching old fittings if it is a retrofit. |
scott_n
Advanced Member
Username: scott_n
Post Number: 43
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 08:51 am: |
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The grease cup was probably set up like that to make it easier to serves in the boat. Nice engine the intake warmer is very interesting |
richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee
Post Number: 1786
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 09:49 am: |
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This is a photo of J.B.'s flywheel
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bgoss
Advanced Member
Username: bgoss
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 09:22 pm: |
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Thanks guys. |
