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rowella
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Hi I am restoring a 1917 workboat that was fitted originally with a 8HP frisco engine.
I have just acquired a Frisco with a 6 1/4 bore and a 6 7/8 stroke.Can anybody identy the size of this engine.Thanks Martin
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rowella
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I have added a photo of my "new" Frisco in front of the boat I am restoring.The barrel and Head are very damaged by corrosion but I hope to salvage them The waterpump is missing as is the name plate and serial number.Can anybody help with the HP output and propellor size diameter & pitch? Any help much appreciated. Martin

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They make a nice couple -Look forward to them joining up. According to my catalog (unfortunately undated but probably of an earlier series than this engine) a 6 1/4 x 7 is a 7hp at 380rpm. It swings a 22" propeller. Does not quote a pitch for it but it would be square or more. The last Frisco Standard I heard running in a boat was 50 years ago. It was a NZ made Orion crib of a Standard -supposedly improved. Sounded great!
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rowella
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Thanks for that Russell,This boat was launched in Hobart Tasmania Australia in 1917 I'll post a photo when she is finnished Martin
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Martin what does your mounting pattern for the water pump look like i have a 4 hp here bob...
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Wow; what a massive single! What length boat do you have there, & do you have another pic of the boat? The windows are looking good!
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rowella
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Bob the pump is held on by three bolts and driven by an excentric from the drive shaft, see photo

frisco pump mounting
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rowella
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Greg She is 35ft overal and 30ft at the water line here are some more pics Martin

progress so far

halfway restored
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Thanks for posting the pics.
This size putt putt these days are very rare
The definition of a putt putt at the wooden boat regattas these days often only includes boats up to 18ft or so !!?? [then its the diesel class]
What an impressive length Hull to go with an equally impressive engine!
I imagine this is a counter stern/ fantail, with a 5ft difference in the waterline to overall length?!
Your launch reminds me of the stories An elderly friend of mine used to tell. His relative's boat at Horsfield bay, Woy Woy Central Coast NSW AU. It too had a Frisco single cylinder! When He died last year, I was given some photos including that boat, the Altona. It too had a counter stern. To me these are the most graceful through the water.
The Altona
Your 35ft will have a generous hull speed, & a petrol engine has a much softer, quieter roll-over than a diesel, making for a very pleasant ride!
There was another similar boat in the mangroves at Newport NSW with a Frisco Twin, but all that's left now is the keelson & garboards.
You are surely raising a Phoenix of another lifetime there. Congratulations!
Greg
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As the treasurer of the Davo Putt putt regatta
I would put it in the "gentleman's launch"category. You are going to have a ton of fun with that lovely old girl
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I don't think they are that smooth as a boat propulsion unit. I am very much looking forward to the day when my Frisco can be afloat again. Low priority just now though. I bought it as a derelict from an old neighbour whose father had it in a 28' boat. She said they took it out because it was "shaking the boat to bits" and put in a Kelvin. I guess the boat just wasn't heavily enough in the scantlings! BTW pics of my engines are in an earlier posting (several years ago) on this website.}
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rowella
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Request identification for spare parts that came with my frisco.Transmision this is painted green but looks nothing like my other one.
Two cylinders one cast solid between bottom lugs the other is open also the water intake is different.Two heads no photo,the ignition timing device is held on with on bolt the other with two.Any comments welcome Martin transmission sidetrans topcylinders
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Another candidate for the Coates treatment. Someone really ought to save that twin.
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Does anyone have a head to suit a 6 1/4" bore 8HP to sell or trade? Martin
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attachmenthead for frisco 8HP 61/4" bore
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rowella
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The carburetor on my 8HP frisco standard appears
to be a Schebler D but it is not marked and has a
BR in a square embossed on top.Does anybody recognise the marking? I hope to have the engine running soon and fitted to the boat will post the photos if successfull. Martin

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first time since 1982 in water
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"BR" in Australia = Blaxland Rae according to the same symbol that i have seen on the Blaxland engines.
Did the Schebler carburettor ever come in any other model than 'D'?? I know of 3 sizes; 3/4", 1", & 1-1/4"
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Hi Martin, My 30' Monterey clipper 'DIXIE' @6.5 tons, had an 8 hp Hicks single (6" bore) for many years. Ran great with a 24" x 24" three blade. Contemporary catelog lists same. I have two original "Weed Free" props. Shaft size is 1 1/2". One is 27 27 other is 24 X 2?, larger pitch, can't remember exactly. If interested, long haul to down under. Good luck on a fine looking project.
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Hi Capmo, I cant swing a large prop on my fantail so I have got a 20x30 4 blade. I had the Frisco running recently and hope to have her fitted and in the water in November I'll post some photo's if I make it. Martin
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He is at it again. Remember the fantastic antique style two cylinder engine Dave Williams made from scratch. Now he is restoring a 4 HSP Frisco Standard and building a pontoon style hull for it from a 30 foot long 3 foot diameter log. The log will be split in half lengthwise and the halves hollowed out for pontoon decked over and the engine will be mounted on the platform. Having seen the high quality of his work don't laugh he is a man who no challenge is too big I think.
He is looking for any instruction material on the Hicks. I gather Dave doen't like dealing with computers. So who does??? He asked me to post these photos of the Hicks on OME. Hope someone can help him.

Looking for instruction material for 4 HP Hicks Standard



4 HP Hicks Standard for OME
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A classic engine deserves a classic (style) hull IMO, but who knows! The engine is an absolute beauty and so complete. Can't be many 'sleepers' like that left.
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I am sure you can bet it will be very well cared for. The reason he is asking for any instruction etc. material is so he won't make any bad choices.
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rowella
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Richard,You refer to the photo's you posted as a "Hicks" To me me it looks like a Standard. Is there a connection between Hicks and Frisco Standard?
Also any idea on the age of the engine you posted as it has a seperate water supply to the Head that I have not seen before and the transmission is different. Regards Martin
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Sorry I got confused and added the word "Hicks".
I know nothing about the engine. Perhaps the owner will contact me and answer your questions.
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Thanks Richard.
Any info on that posted frisco is most welcome.
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I'm not sure that the extra water feed to the top of the head would be any benefit but will bow to the knowledge of the antients! This engine has the same reverse system as my two. I think your engine is a bit later or bigger, Martin. I've never seen any connection between Hicks and Standard mentioned. They were well apart geographically weren't they?
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Yes it looks like mine must a later model.
The Hicks connection does not exist it was a "typo" by Richard.I hope to install mine in the boat next month. Martin
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Hi - the extra water feed is unusual - we looked hard at water flow while making a pattern for a 6" bore head. There is not much space in this part of the head as the gas path/valve chambers core and the water jacket core are hard to fit in. Hence the tubes lining the forward head studs. Suggest the extra head connection utilised an existing core plug opening to feed cooler water here - someone's bright idea, but not original. The test would come when running the engine under load for a time. This engine looks like it has never seen salt water - a real find.
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Yep, there is a screwed plug with a square drive somewhere round there. Will be interesting to see how it performs with that arrangement. Can't think that it will be called on to work that hard again. And yes, fresh water use makes all the difference. My one that came out of the boat went straight on to a saw bench and ran that for years so that purged the salt. It was a similar green (although one of those pics looks bluish) in the places that had paint so I repainted it a similar colour. Anyone know for certain what colour they were? My heart goes out to that poor old twin lying on its side in the mud.
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Some progress pics to prove I'm still making slow progress
Engine is now restored and fitted

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Looking gr8, m8! Hope to come over the ditch for a looksee and listen after the launching!
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Boat and engine installation look just fine.

Can those CV flex joints take the thrust of the prop?

miro
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Rowella,

Where are you located?

Any details on the steamboat you have as your Profile Image?

Love the current project.

Regards,

Archibald
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There is a thrustbearing just before the propellorshaft but outside the picture.

I am in Noosa 80miles north of Brisbane Queensland Australia. The steamboat is called "lady Lavinia" it is a Elliot Bay design
and has a single 5HP steam engine build by Strath Steam in Aus.as is the firetube boiler.
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Rowella,

Thanks for the info. I would be interested in seeing the steam engine and its boiler installation if you have any pictures posted or that you could send.

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John
Don't have much on the interior, have added one pic of my presnt restoration where I found iton Bruny Island Tasmania.
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Rowella,

So it looks like a single cylinder double acting column engine with the Stephenson reversing link. Judging by where the exhaust seems to be heading it looks like it is also running condensing. Keel condenser I presume.

I have a double acting compound of roughly the same size that is waiting to go in a launch. First, I will stick in the 4 Hp. ( NOS ) Acadia and have some fun on the water, then later stick in the steam plant.

Thanks for the images.

Archibald
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John,
Yes she has keel tubes and before that the exhaust goes through a small heatexchanger to preheat the boiler feedwater.The keeltubes feed into a hotwell in the bilge to supply the boiler feed pump.Seeing your interest in steam I'll post some pics tomorrow of a small compound engine that has the hotwell,the feedpump and vacuum pump incorporated in one casting.I have never been able to identify it.
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John, Some pics of the unidentified Steam engine.
It is 5.5+3 X 3 shaft 1 1/8 inch. The condensor,hotwell and two pumps are all included It makes a very compact engine. Any ideas about origen? Martin Krynen
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Martin,

It's a Hobart! Just kidding. I don't recognize it, but there were hundreds of makers of steam engines this size. Mine is just a little bit smaller. I think the low pressure cylinder is 4 inches in diameter and the engine's stroke is 3 inches if I recall correctly.

Are the threads Whitworth, American or possibly metric? That would narrow it's provenance down some if you knew. Also, if the threads are American, another clue is the age determining 1/2-12 versus the later 1/2-13 thread. The switch occurred around 1900 or so. Perhaps there are no 1/2-inch threads present.

She's looks great either way. Are you restoring it?

Regards,

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John I no longer own this engine. I swapped it for a 8HP Frisco in poor condition to let me finnish the restoration of MV Rowella which was originally fitted with a 8HP Frisco Martin
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Well it has taken 5 years but here are some pics of the final product both engine and hull ready for launchingRowella(now Nancy) and engine
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Congratulations! She looks amazing. Have you got a nice binnacle for her?
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Looks like a brass binnacle forward of the helm..
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Hi - compound steam engine with integral condenser is unusual and highly valuable - would date from early 1900's so a sale overseas should not get an export license - More often had a keel condenser. Catalogues for Simpson STrickland, Mumfords, Bellis, White and Thorneycroft have similar looking engines but nowhere have I seen the integral condenser. Looks British (or Empire). In those days with simple metallurgy there were thousands of manufacturers and every small town blacksmith or engineering works made engines. Local patternmakers and founders were also highly skilled and skilled labour was less expensive (no gold collar or flouro vest workers then!)
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And finally a couple of pics after launchingNancy afloat
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What a beautiful group you make. I can see three sterns of which one is most elegant indeed! Is the Frisco a good smooth shipmate? That looks a meaty prop you have there -what dimensions? Does she turn it without seeming too loaded?
Well done, son! You put some of us to shame!
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Frisco StandardFrisco engine in situ
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I agree, congratulations and well done Martin,

Tiz a beauty that's for sure. Have fun with her :-)
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Superb. Could we see a few larger photos of the engine??
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friscofrisco 8HP
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The prop is 20 X 30 4 bladed and probably a touch too big

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