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andrew
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had some email correspondance with Si Balch about a Brooks engine. He has now sent in some pictures. I will post the various correspondance and the new pictures. Any help anyone would like to provide is welcomed:

From Si:

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I am seeking information on a old one cylinder, two cycle, inboard motor. The Brooks 2.5 HP made by The Brooks Boat Manufacturing Company, Bay City , Michigan.

If you have any knowledge of this company or its motors I'd like to know. A friend has one of these and is rebuilding it.

Thank you
Si Balch




From Andrew:

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Thanks for the note. Brooks actually didn't make engines. They bought engines and put the Brooks tag on them, as did many other boatbuilders. I know that for a time they bought Detroit engines. If you can supply a picture of your friend's engine I might be able to tell what kind of engine it is. I have a couple of the Brooks Boats catalogs that show the engines also.
Regards,
Andrew Menkart




From Si:

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Here are three pictures. He has made a new platform for the motor, and added a pully wheel to run the alternator , so it will start of a battery. It had no piston when he found it, so as the ultimate handy man he made a new one. He has had it running in the last week or so. One piture shows the brass label attached , which identifies it as the The Brooks 2.5hp. I think it is serial number #152.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thank you for your time and interest.
Si Balch




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andrew
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Si,
Use the "Keyword Search" link on the left and enter the word "brooks". You will find some other Brooks pictures and descriptions.
Looks like your friend is missing the water pump.
Andrew
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adriaticsun
Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe that engine is a DuBrie made in Detriot
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Ernie
Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have one of these. It was made by DuBrie. I have had my Brooks (just like this one) sitting next to a DuBrie. There were only minor differences. My Early Gray is almost identical to a DuBrie as well. Mr DuBrie sure had a lot of influence or worked for several early engine manufacturers.
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adriaticsun
Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Fellas; I have three DuBrie's all 2 1/2 H.P,but all three have different cylinder tops,I believe the Brooks shown above is the later Detroit model. The one shown under subheading miscellaneous, is the earlier Detroit model, that is the one Richard Durgee posted, also very much the same except for letters around the top of the cylinder,which makes it a Wisconson model
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Ernie
Posted on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I own and have owned several DuBrie, Brooks and early Gray engines. Currently my Brooks is sitting next to an early Gray. (DuBrie style) Other than the orientation of the flywheel (counterweight on front or back) timer style (some were on the crankshaft and some on the water pump)and where the engine mounts are (bottom of base or on crank center line) they are identical. Additionally some had the water outlet on the top front of the cylinder or the side like the above pics. If the water outlet is on the front the tag will be on the side. Si have you looked under your tag? There may be casting numbers there. If so can you get us a pic?
Andrew, you have a larger one of these. Are there any pics on here? It is the one with no tag and the casting numbers at the top of the cylinder.
Si also your engine needs an inlet check valve, unless you have one of the Schebler carbs with an internal check valve.
Hope this helps
Ernie

By the way my Brooks will be at Calvert.
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are pics of the larger DuBrie of mine that Ernie is refering to above. It doesn't have a tag but does have
4HPG
cast into the cylinder.

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richarddurgee
Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is this ??


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Nick Bettevy
Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
That is an early Gray, probably made by Dubrie. I will try to post pics. of the same engine.
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Nick
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andrew
Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The following was sent in by Dick Day:

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Andrew can you post these two photos for me. Unfortunately I did not take a picture of the flywheel from the bow end. It has Gray cast in it in raised letters. believed to be... a Dubrie that he designed for Gray early on.
Thanks, Dick



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richarddurgee
Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 06:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nick thanks for the better pictures of this engine, Anthony Goodrum had this one for sale a few months back at the Florida Flywheelers Swap Meet, where I saw it !
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I put this on the discussion board to revisit and try to settle the question that these 1906-07 early Gray engines were designed and or made by DuBrie( or not), before posting the Gray serial number dating and identification information that we sorted out several weeks ago. Can't find any print that says this but several interviews over the years in boating magazines by people close to the Gray Co. have alluded to the fact that DuBrie was involed with the first years of the Gray motor Co. The next step would be to get as many pictures of these old Gray engines on this board as we can and collectively agree or disagree, by
comparing castings- design etc with known DuBrie
Engs ??
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Dick Day Thanks for your posts of the old Gray,(green color) the lower crankcase casting, cylinder design,flywheel and waterpump casting and pump itself look almost exactly like the one Nick and I posted(brown color) but the carb intake and exhaust are opposite ??? Oiler inlet on (brown)is same as Andrews DuBrie as pictured above,(green) engine has oiler inlet above exhaust port??
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Any input -Pictures, comparisons or comments will be appreciated! Thanks Richard
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richarddurgee
Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is identical to a 1908 ad. I post it as a known original DuBrie with name tag for comparison.


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In 1898 DuBrie was in Freemont Ohio.At this same time he either made or designed one of the first Canadian Marine Engs that was sold by Peter Payette & Co. Penetanguishene, ontario.
Other engs that were DuBries were Sandusky- Peerless & Brooks if you know of others please add to the list. So it was a common bussiness practice of Dubrie at this time to design or make and retag for many other Engine Co's.
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O.J.Mulford the founder of Gray Motor Co.had bought the Sintz eng co. in 1902, consolidated it with his Michigan Yacht co. and sold it in 1905, the same year he started Gray. I have a 1906 Claude Sintz engine but it bears no resemblence to these early Gray engines.
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Ernie in an earlier post said that he had put his early GRay Next to his Brooks and they were virtually alike !!
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Any opinions here????
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richarddurgee
Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This picture from Wendel's American Gas Engines
book is the Peerless marine eng. Looking at the lower crankcase design with the case splitting at the crankshaft line yet the mount flange below it a few inches looks to me exactly like the early grays pictured above ?? Also same square waterpump housing to block??


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Ernie
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will try to get pics of my Brooks and post later today. It is identical the The DuBrie posted above. My early Gray is identical to the old Gray/DuBrie pics above the DuBrie. Richard, is the DuBrie yours? If so can you remove the tag so we can see what the casting numbers are that are most likely under it? The screw holding mine on came out easily.
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richarddurgee
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie : Under tag, cast in cylinder is 2 1/2 G like on Andrews eng above!
> 3387 is stamped on outer flywheel rim.
1596 stamped on flywheel hub. Looked eng all over
no other numbers on it .
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richarddurgee
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)









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richarddurgee
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Ernie : Under tag, cast in cylinder is 2 1/2 G like on Andrews eng above!
> 3387 is stamped on outer flywheel rim.
1596 stamped on flywheel hub. Looked eng all over
no other numbers on it .


DuBrie


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Ernie
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brooks pics below. Numbers on my engine are:
Flywheel rim 3166
Flywheel Hub G 1344
Brooks SN from Brooks tag 906
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Ernie
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now the early Gray pics
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Ernie176
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Note the bottom Brooks pic (above)it shows the back of the flywheel. It has the same counterweight as the early Gray. Just mounted the opposite. Also 1 more Brooks pic below. I had the oiler removed in the pics above. It is now back on the engine, however I mounted it so it is to the side and not directly behind the flywheel. I little too close for comfort when starting the engine. It was origionally like Richard's DuBrie.
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richarddurgee
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie: Thanks for the photos, the more I look at these 1906-07 Gray engs and compare them to the
DuBries the more they look to be the same design and or manufacturer.
The first address(late 1890's) of DuBrie is in Fremont, Ohio just south of Detroit across the end of Lake Erie.
I find a lot of info about his designs for the other manufacturers mentioned earlier, but no engs with his name on them.The first ad
I find for a DuBrie eng is 1908, the same year that Gray came on the market with their own designed engs (model R & S). DuBrie's address was Guoin street, Detroit Mich. Interesting is the 1906 Gray eng Co. ad, their adress is Leib Street Detroit, on a map they look to be only a few blocks away from each other??
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andrew
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,

This must be the most comprehensive collection of information on the DuBrie and Gray relationship compiled in the last 90 years!

In the miscellaneous category of this board I posted some notes about research on Michigan engine manufacturers done by Scott Peters. He has sent me an Access Database with some specific information on various builders in 1909. I think he will share them with anyone who asks him...

Regards,
Andrew
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richarddurgee
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew: What a nice way to say this is boring every one to tears. I would be interested in your opinion on this subject though ? Is this info enough to conclude that DuBrie designed or made first Grays 1906-07?
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How do I contact Scott , would like to have list for future. Thanks Richard
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,

I think you have proved the point quite conclusively! Is it your opinion that those DuBrie/Gray engines were built at DuBrie's factory or at Gray's?

Bob Holcomb sent in a early magazine article on DuBrie, I have posted it here. I am not sure what year it is or what magazine it is from... (certainly after 1906) Bob is checking. It was copied from one of George Boley's collection of early published material.

Scott's email address is available from the link with his name in the text of the first message in the miscellaneous category.

Regards,
Andrew
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Scott Peters
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a little about Michigan Yacht and Power Company in relationship to the Gray/DuBrie/Brooks discussion, or it might merit its own discussion:

Michigan Yacht and Power Company

Michigan Yacht and Power Company of Detroit, Wayne County, was a short-lived boat building firm at the turn of the twentieth century. The company was incorporated on January 3, 1900, at Detroit. Olds Motor Works purchased Michigan Yacht and Power Company from Charles King in February 1900, only a month after its creation.

The company advertised in Scott’s New Coast Pilot for the Lakes (1900) as follows: “Yachts and Launches/Wood or steel constructed. Gasoline or steam./We build everything from a 20 foot boat to a/150 foot steam yacht, and guarantee superiority./Gasoline engines, 2 to 60 horsepower.:::/Steel launches/last forever, strongest/nonsinkable, safest./All sizes from 20 foot upwards./High speed gasoline launches./Our 20 ft. Family Launch/Length 20 ft. beam 5-1/2 ft./Power 2-1/2 Horse Power./Capacity 10 people./$375 complete./Wood and Metalic Yawls and Life Boats/Life Rafts, etc./Michigan Yacht & Power Co., 1524 Jefferson Ave. Detroit, Mich. Sent 10 cts. for Catalog. [photo of Family Launch, line art of 4 other yachts]”

In the spring of 1901 Olds Motor Works sold the firm for a couple of possible reasons, one being that the Olds Motor Works stockholders were willing to put more faith in vehicle making, as the Curved-Dash Olds runabout automobile gained popularity, or because the company needed to raise capital quickly after a disasterous fire in March of 1901. The management of the firm consisted of Ora J. Mulford as president and general manager; William A. Pungs, vice-president and treasurer; Charles M. Jacobsen, assistant manager; Alfred Seymour, superintendent and John C. Mulford as secretary in 1901. Its plant was located at 1524 Jefferson Ave. The company was acquired by Sintz Gas Engine Company by 1903. Officers of the Sintz Gas Engine Company included W. A. Pungs, president; H. A. Winter, treasurer and general manager; and Ora J. Mulford, secretary. By 1905, the firm was merged with Sintz Gas Engine Company to form the Pungs Finch Auto and Gas Engine Company.

Michigan Yacht & Power Company filed notice of its dissolution on January 11, 1904.

Sources:

Scott, George. Scott's New Coast Pilot for the Lakes (Detroit, MI: The Free Press Printing Co., 1900.) p. 4 ad in front (no pagination.) [Michigan Maritime Museum 94-300]

Polk, R. L. & Co. Michigan State Gazetteer and Business Directory, 1901 (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1901.) pp. 644, 1780.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Detroit City Directory, 1901 (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1901.) pp. 855, 1136, 1177, 1305, 1453, 2168.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Michigan State Gazetteer and Business Directory, 1903-1904 (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1903.) pp. 675, 1810.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Michigan State Gazetteer and Business Directory, 1905-1906 (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1905.) pp. 869, 1973.

Earley, Helen Jones and James R. Walkinshaw. Setting the Pace: Oldsmobile’s First Hundred Years (Lansing, MI: Oldsmobile Division of General Motors, 1996.) pp. 25, 29.

Michigan State Archives, RG 61-11, Abstracts of Reports of Corporations, Lot 3, Vol. 3 (1899-1904). p. 159.

Fisher, Robert D. (ed.) Marvyn Scudder Manual of Extinct or Obsolete Companies, Vol. III, 1930 (New York: Marvyn Scudder Manual of Extinct or Obsolete Companies, Inc., 1930.) p. 945.
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richarddurgee
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew: this photo is from a Gray Motor Co. Catalog, shows a factory in 1906 with Gray name on it.I don't know yet but I suppose that DuBrie's
design was used and the engines were made in the Gray factory.Gray had their own engineer( Oscar Kreis) designing the Model R and S, and when those engines went on the market in 1908, I believe Stanley DuBrie was well aware that Gray was dropping his engs, so he updated his design
in a facility around the corner from Gray and
opened his first mfg company(prior too this I believe he only designed for other Makers) with engines that had the DuBrie Tag on them and Debuted his own line on the market also in 1908.I don't think this endeavor was very long lasting.
The magazine article that Bob Holcomb mentions above was several years later Feb 10, 1923 Motor Boating, DuBrie had started another mfg Co. a few miles south of the old factory, but the new effort was based on the 5 Hp one cyl 4 cycle engine using many FORD parts.


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miro
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 08:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whew - what a read - all these facts from sooo long ago - it'll keep my synapses warmed up and firing all night!

miro
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Ernie
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No wonder all the Gray engines came with Kries carbs. Actually a really good carb once you learn how to adjust it. Untill you do one of the MOST frustrating mechanical items known to mankind.
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie,
I think you mean the Krice Carburetor Co., Detroit, Michigan.

Richard,
You didn't bore Miro to tears... you got his synapses firing... good thing too because the thaw is still six weeks away in his part of Canada.
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Ernie
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup I am wondering if there was a link between the 2.
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Bill Schaller
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, you do need to take those factory photos with a grain of salt. I have no idea about the Gray factories, but since some of these are artist drawings made into printing engravings, they can put any name on a building they want. I am betting that the top photo, of the new 1910 building, isn't really as long as it is shown. It is hard for me to tell on the computer if it is a photo, or a drawing. Often, an artists rendering is a little exaggerated.
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richarddurgee
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Andrew,
It's good to know that all this historical hot air is good for something!I also didn't know that in Canada they warmed their Schnapps?
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Ernie,
When Gray introduced their new engine line in 1908
they came with a Gray carburetor on them,who developed it ??

1908 Gray

By the 1913-14 catalog the Krice was recommended?
Krice Carb was in Detroit ??
Anyone know of any other Eng manufacturers that
used Krice Carbs as original equipment??


Krice
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richarddurgee
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill,
You are absolutley right about the Gray factory
picture above, in the same catalog they explain that the 3 lower pics were of actual Gray factory buildings but the top one was an artists
rendering that O.J.Mulford envisioned The Gray Marine engine factory and the the Gray Motor Car Factory combined would look like! It never made it!
Anyone know were the Gray stationary engines were made??
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andrew
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 1917-18 MOTOR BOAT TRADE DIRECTORY that lists Krice in the "Carburetors - Gasoline" section as:

Krice Carburetor Co.
Mack Ave. & Detroit Terminal Ry.
Detroit, Mich
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Bill Schaller
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie, what is the trick to adjusting the Krice carb?
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Bill Schaller
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie, what is the trick to adjusting the Krice carb?
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richarddurgee
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My Krice carbs all say Patent pending ! anyone have one with the patent number on it, we could look it up that way??
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Ernie
Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's all in getting the float level perfect with a really good float. I will try to post the info in a day or so.
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Richard Day
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Richard, I will look at some of mine and see if any have a patent number. I have had mixed results trying to use the Krice carburetor. I have a few that came off junk one lungers a long time ago and only one worked well. Thats why I stuck to using Scheblers as they seem almost indistructable and easy to adjust.
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JOHN FORTENER
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I HAVE 2 IDENTICAL 5H.P. DUBRIE MARINE ENGINES THAT ARE BRAND NEW. THEY ARE STILL IN THE WOOD SHIPPING CRATES. THEY STILL HAVE PIPE PLUGS IN THE HEAD.BRAND NEW SPARK PLUGS ARE IN WAX PAPER BAGS.THEY ALSO HAVE A BRASS PROP WITH THEM.GIVE ME SOME INFO. ILL BE POSTING PICTURES SOON.THEYVE NEVER BEEN STARTED.
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Vern Hansen
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 06:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am hoping that someone can help me. I was born and raised in Stranton, MI where O J Mulford learned the printing trade. I learned the trade at the same weekly paper where he worked. I have been researching his life and have acquired quite a bit of information. I was wondering if any one on this discussion site has a picture of the man on any of his company literature or advertising. I would like to include his picture in the article that I am writing aboout him.
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richarddurgee
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2004 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

O.J.M.
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Vern Hansen
Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To richarddurgee:
My heartfelt THANKS for the picture of Mr. Mulford. I have been researching his life (on and off) for over 2 years now.
Sir: I would be very grateful if you could forward any info about the picture you have posted. Which publication it is from, where or how you acquired it, etc., etc. Any thing!
If my search for info on Mr. Mulford might not be of much interest to the folks at the discussion list, PLEASE feel free to contact me at my email address vjhansen@sbcglobal.net
I previously tried to send a message and something happened to it. Hope this one goes through.
Vern Hansen
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richarddurgee
Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vern
Your welcome
These were taken from Stan Grayson's book "Engines Afloat volume I".
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http://www.devereuxbooks.com/
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O.J. was an exceptional man and worthy of any historical study Many on this site are not only collectors and restorers but history buffs as well!

O.J.
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Vern Hansen
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Richard:

Many, many thanks for the pix and art work of OJ.
You have made this man very happy today. I have been searching for a book about Gray Marine written by Robert Willetts Mulford, OJ's son but no luck.
Will try devereuxbooks to see if either book is still available.
Thank You! THANK YOU!
Vern Hansen
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Scott Peters
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Greetings Vern,
You might want to try the Burton Historical Collections at the Detroit Public Library to see if they have any archival photos of O. J. Mulford. Failing that, the Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle at Detroit might likewise have some material. A third option may be the Michigan Historical Collections, Bentley Library, University of Michigan. Good luck!
Scott Peters
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Vern Hansen
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the suggestions Scott.

By the way, in my research I have found a lot of material on a race car driver in the 1920s whose name was Ralph Mulford. Have tried unsuccessfully to find if he was related to O J. It would be great if I could tie him to O J as a brother or whatever. Does any one on the list know if these 2 gentlemen were related in any way?

Again, many thanks for any help you might be able to give me and for the other info I have received in the past few days. You are a great bunch of people.
Vern Hansen
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Pat Longen
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Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looking for information on a 1906 REO single cylinder engine. Does anyone on this sight know who made this engine and what type of carb is on it. I have a nice 1906 REO runabout I am trying to get running. It runs for a bout 20 seconds then quits.
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Vern J Hansen
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Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please be advised that I made a really big mistake in my posting of May 8, 2004. I spelled my home town wrong, oh so wrong. O. J. Mulford learned the printing trade in STANTON, Michigan, not Stranton,Michigan. There is no (r) in the word Stanton. I'll never be able to show my face in my home town again. Vern Hansen
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Scott Peters
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Hi Vern,
Been to scenic Stanton--nice farm country! The grandson of O. J. Mulford, Mike Dixon, has recently published a book entitled "Motormen & Yachting," which covers the connections between people involved in the auto industry and their role in yachting/motorboating. He lives in St. Clair Shores, and might be of interest for you to contact.
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chuckinkona
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aloha Guys,

I recently acquired a 4HP Brooks Type D S/N101 2 Cycle Marine Engine. It is very much like several of the engines that are pictured in this thread, but not quite. For one thing, down to the left of the exhaust flange is a drain cock (not a primer cup). The engine is free, with good compression so I'd like to make it a runner. I'm experienced in rebuilding stationary farm engines of the period, but this is my first 2 cycle maring project.

Some questions:
1) Identity (DuBrie I presume)?

2) Probable vintage 1906-1907?

2) What are the options in tracking down information or samples to make copies of the water pump, eccentric, and commutator?

3) I presume Schleber Type D carb is appropriate, please confirm or deny.

4) Pix of an exact match engine if there is one around, from that I would hope to pick up throttle & spark linkages as well as information of the water pump & commutator configurations.

Appreciate the leads/information. I'll upload one picture with this post, and three others in separate posts. I haven't been able to figure out how to make them small enough to post as under 100K except one at a time.

Mahalo,
Chuck

PS, I'm told that this engine was found on a local Hawaiian beach in the remains of a beached/burnt sampan hull.Brooks 4HP Exhaust Side
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chuckinkona
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aloha Again,

Sorry about the over large size. I'll work at getting things smaller in the future, but it's taken me an hour to get anything up, so I'm pressing on.

Chuck
Brooks 4HP Carb Side
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chuckinkona
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aloha Again,

ChuckBrooks 4HP Water Pump/Drive Shaft End
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chuckinkona
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 02:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Aloha, me again, with another question on the Brooks 4HP.

Will I need a check valve between the carb & the crankcase?

Mahalo,
Chuck
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billschaller
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1906 dubrie

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