|Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 01:47 pm: ||
Goodday from Campbellford,On Canada
This is a top quality with fancy machined edge on the flywheel which is very heavy & has a pull out crank it's 14"x3",The brasswork is also high quality with a custom carb & uses a "wig wag " action ignition control for the make & break igniter (top contact missing) --I 'd sure appreciate knowing the make of this one! !
"All the best for the New Year"
|Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 12:21 am: ||
Hello Larry. Unfortunately I can not help you to identify your motor but I am searching for the identity of another unknown engine too that you will find lower down on the discussion board list as; "Can anyone help identify this single cylinder engine?" However, there are 2 or possibly 3 similarities between these engines: (1) the make and brake ignition system (only the upper part exists on my engine, primary ignition is magneto mounted rear of the flywheel. (2) The engine mounts are 100% identical although broken off at my engine and (3) possibly the cylinder head which is missing on my motor. This very old engine (1910-15) use a very simple fuel injection. RGDS Vidar Backmann, Norway
|Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 11:53 am: ||
It looks to me it might be a Stanley.
Here are some pictures of a Stanley engine that is missing some parts but has some similarities to your engine. Is the a casting boss on the starboard side that might have had a nameplate?
|Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 11:58 am: ||
It looks like the above engine might have been converted from make'n'break to jump spark... note the bevel gear driven timer at the rear.
|Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 10:06 pm: ||
Andrew. Tom Stranko have looked at the engine you have pictured. I appears to us that the engine had both ignition systems on it origionaly. The componets seem origional. We thought it may have been a transition engine.
|Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 10:46 pm: ||
Thanks... how did it work? If it has make and break ignition, what did the gear driven timer do?
Did it have a complete make'n'break ignition and a complete jump spark ignition?
|Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 03:02 pm: ||
Boy, would I like to get some quality pictures of
your Stanley M&B inboard. I have a similar engine
to Keith's (but with a name plate cast "EMMONS" )and I am collecting information while restoring mine. If you could email me some (150-300KB or so) pictures I would email some of my engine to
you. The ignition on yours seems complete from what I can see. Does the air intake for the carb
have a connection into the block or a casting near the exhaust that would act as a pre-heater?
What kind of carb or is a special make?
|Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:29 pm: ||
Goodday again To answer Andrews question It does have a flat cast on the left side (looking at it from the flywheel end)although higher up on the cylinder & the carb is custom made & the intake goes into the base casting at the back --Mine is a "dry head" & yours is a wet--I would guess they were made by the same Co. at two different dates--Thanks for the input Andrew,Vidar Keith & Tom & many thanks to Andrew Menkart for this site & help! ! !
|Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 08:55 pm: ||
Larry: after looking closly at the e-mail pictures
With the rather hefty flywheel, the hot head, the
mixer valve with a valve for adjusting air and a
separate valve for fuel, the intake piped into
rear of block below exhaust port( for preheated intake)it seems to me that this was a kerosene engine!
your question about starting when cold,these engs
started on gasoline, warmed up then switched to
kerosene and mixer and timing adjusted for smooth
economical operation. Neat Old Marine Engine !!
|Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 08:51 pm: ||
I will be reading "Burt Dow Deep-Water Man" to my daughter's second grade class, and I was hoping someone could tell me what exactly is a make and break engine, and how is it different from a moden outboard. You know they'll ask. Thanks Ellen
Post Number: 597
|Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 09:27 pm: ||
Thanks for posting.
I have never heard of Burt Dow Deep-Water Man, but it sounds great.
Basically the type of engine you are refering to is a single cylinder "inboard" engine (not outboard) that was used in a lot of commercial open boats. They were very heavy and simple, and favored by the working boatmen because they were reliable and long lasting. The photos shown above are an example.
Make'n'break actually refers to the type of ignition... the mechanism that made the spark to fire the mixture and power the engine, but may of those engines were generically called "make'n'break", or "one-lungers".
Probably for the purposes of explaining to the class you can tell them that it was likely that the owner was intimately familiar with all the details of the engine and could take it apart and put it back together with his eyes closed. He also probably understood how it was well it was running by slight variations in the sound.
Those engine were started by hand by rocking the flywheel.
You can see a vidoe of one running at this link. Or you can search "video" using the search box at the top of this page and see and hear others... a high speed internet connection would help.
Let us know how it goes, and tell us about the engine portion of the book if you get a chance.
Post Number: 315
|Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 09:20 pm: ||
In my opinion it is a Stanley with that characteristic flywheel with the relief on the flywheel rim. I know of no other maker that has that flywheel rim style. The shape of that bronze rod is also a Stanley hallmark.
Post Number: 174
|Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 02:43 pm: ||
In my research surrounding the Emmons/Stanley restoration I ended up owning that engine that Larry asked the question on in 2002. From the advertising it would appear to be a 1902 Toquet
(which I pronounce "Tow-Kay"). The "hot" head, rough cut flywheel edge and the unusual propriatery mixer along with the lower mounted spark advance mechanism are the data points I used. By 1903 they were using water cooled heads and by 1906 (and the Stanley takeover) they were using Schebler carbs and had a rounded edge flywheel with a high mounted spark advance.