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mbashaw
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Posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am almost ready to install the Dispro engine back into the boat and am not sure how to wire it up. This is what I think:
Wire from the plug to coil,
coil to the timer,
coil to kinfe switch to battery,
battery to other end of timer.
How did I do?
...and what size is each of these wires?
Thanks for the help!
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miro
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Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are 2 circuits.
A low voltage circuit which is the primary and that is the connection from the battery to the timer to the low voltage terminals of the coil and then back to the battery. Polarity doesn't matter.
The high voltage has 2 connections: The spark plug and the common point on the low voltage .
The common point of the low voltage is usually grounded to the engine.
The current in the primary is about 1-2 Amps, so a 16 guage wire ( preferably stranded) is OK - even 18 guage would work OK.
The high voltage is the usual spark plug wire ( not the carbon cored stuff)

miro
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mbashaw
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What type of battery is appropriate? I seem to remember one of the guys telling us to use a 6 volt gel cell motorcycle battery. Would that be correct?
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johnny
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe this will help.

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johnny
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a diagram using a model T coil. It's showing a stationary farm engine but it would still be the same for a spark plug style marine engine. Just put your timer lever or spark controller in place of there cam & timer they show in the pic.

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johnny
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Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like to use 12 volt gel cell batteries. However I run engines mostly at shows. Some of the gentleman that have boats could probably give you better advice to what they like. If you use 6 or 12 volt just make sure you do not let your buzz coil buzz for longer then two or three seconds. The coils can get hot and burn out. They are designed to give a quick spark to the plug, just long enough to ignite the fuel.
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ernie
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I use 12 vots. Model "T" Fords ran on the mag which was 16 volts AC. I am using the same coil I have used for the last 20 plus years and it is always on 12 volts.
The battey box for my boat has 2 12 volt batteries in it with knife switches to select either or both.
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johnny
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie, I think I remember seeing a photo of your battery box and coil setup on the forum. Didn't you use two 12 volt gel cells? Do you recall what the amps were? The 12 volt gel cell batteries I'm using are only about 7 or 8 amps. I think my Batteries are about half the size of what you use. Mine may not last long enough for a good boat ride.
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richardday
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wire one battery + to ground and the other - to ground and you will minimize point build up.
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ernie
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You mean so you get a polarity change when you switch from one battery to the other?
Johnny I will have to fo look at the amps on the baterys
More later
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dick, on our boats if you wire one way it will give a shock when reversing, switching polarity stops it.
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johnny
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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 06:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, I would like to see a wiring diagram of how you do that. Do you have a diagram by chance that you could post? Making the contact points last a little longer is a good deal. No one likes to get stranded way out on the lake or river somewhere.
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johnny
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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 06:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is the type of battery I use. I said gel cell in my previous post but they are actually a sealed lead acid battery. I think this is the same type of battery Ernie is using, his is larger and probably more amps. The battery pictured below is a 12 volt 7amp cost about $20 dollars or less. The more amps the higher the cost.

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johnny
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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 07:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, I'm not an electrical person but I have been thinking about what you said and it seems like to me if you had two 12 volt batteries connected in Parallel and did what you said it would be a direct short? I think you could do it if your batteries were connected in series however you would need two 6 volt batteries and you would then have the 12 volts using the jumper between the two batteries to go to ground. A positive lead from one battery to ground and a negative lead to ground from another battery. Is this what you are talking about?
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richardday
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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The answer is the old timers had a simple switch center off, one side to the + battery and the other side to the - battery.
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mbashaw
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Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is what I have currently wired together.
Does anyone see issues?
Thanks
Dispro Wiring Diagram
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johnny
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Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the "timer plunger" is your contact points & timer then I believe it will work.
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ernie
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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice Drawing
The knife switch should go in the lead from battery positive to the coil.
The reason is that if the wire from the coil to the knife switch shorts to ground you will not be able to shut the coil off.
Hope this helps
Ernie
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bcm
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Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are some suggestions:

Circuit attached
1 Knife switch also functions as a battery disconnect switch, thatís the advantage of using a knife switch
2 If you use a push-pull switch, install a battery disconnect unit, see image
3 Install an in-line fuse next to battery, see image, if vibrator point malfunction fuse will blow rather than overheating and damaging coil.
4 Use crimp style ring connectors, use stranded wire, colour coded.
5 Solid conductor spark plug wire is better, but may cause RF interference.
6 If you use small battery as illustrated in another post, carry a spare fully charged.
7 Use 12 volts, spark is much better than when using 6 volts
8 Learn to adjust vibrator for least current needed for strong spark. This will extend battery life
9 Gell cell is ok, AGM battery is better. Learn about battery voltage corresponding to 100%, 50% charge. Charge battery when voltage is at 50% charge. Be sure charger rate matches battery.


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