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Joe
Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This Canadian built 2 cycle is small but has a 5 inch bore. The engine has no name on it but it has two tags; the first says "Canadian Gas Power & Launches Ltd. Toronto". The second tag says; "MNF'D" by DEFIANCE IRON WORKS CO. No. 205 Limited Class A Chatham ONT." There is a brass timer lever that is not complete. A picture of this would be helpful in sorting out whats missing. The carb/mixer does not seem appropriate to the engine. Another strange thing, the bottom of the bronze rod has two dippers for catching oil but this is a 2 cycle. Hmmm. Thanks much
....Joe
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Joe
Posted on Monday, February 04, 2002 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Canadian Gas Power & Launches Ltd.
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Joe
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is the mixer... I would like to identify it... Do you recognize it at all? It has two needle adjustments as well as an air flow butterfly valve.
Thanks.
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Tom Stranko
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have no info at all about this engine. I just wanted to say how neat I thought it was!!
How about a picture of the other side? I assume the timer lever straddles the crankshaft somehow?
I can see what looks like a roller contact up inside the timer flange base.
Why do you think the mixer is wrong? Too old? Should be a carb? Canadian Gas Power Launches may have added their tag to an engine bought from
Defiance Iron Works. Again, great engine
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Larry Healey
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2002 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Goodday Joe Your engine looks the same as one I have--Defiance of Chatham made these engines & at some time (pre 1913) they were amalgamated into one Co. I have Three engines made by these Co's One the same as yours missing just about all accessories-- your carb is probably correct. One that looks very much like a large Buffalo--it has built in gear box & is a two cylinder headless cast iron mono block & is complete & a four cylinder later model called "The Hunter" Canadian gas power & Launches on side casting--missing water pump & carb--this is a high quality made engine--lot of bronze & each cylinder separate & built in Tranny. The Co. went Bankrupt in 1913--I have the auction flyer. They were located accrss the tracks from the Canadian National Exibition Duffern gates & I have a post card showing the factory.All for now Larry Healey
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Joe
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 02:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The reason that I feel the mixer is wrong is only based on the shape of the mount which can be seen in the new picture. It is triangular with threaded holes in each corner with a large pipe thread in the hole in the middle. However, the mixer in the pictures does have a valve built in to allow base pressure. What about the scoops on the bottom of the rod? Can you have oil in the base of a two cycle? You are right about the timing rod, it does stradle the crank and there is a nub on the crank which acts on the timing lever. The lever can move back and forth around the crank about 30 degrees for the timing adjustment. The lever also can be pulled back and in effect lifts the contact away from the crank nub. The water pump is piston type run from an eccentric on the crank shaft. The copper water jacket is held on by the beefy brass collar which screws onto the cylinder. A special wrench for this came with the engine suggesting it needed lots of attention. There is something missing from the timing lever to provide the contact. Two small threaded holes confirm this. .....Joe
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Joe
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Carb side of the engine...
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Keith
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2002 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joe
What is the interesting mult-cylinder in the back ground?
Keith Billet
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mechman
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Goodday Here are post card photos of the factory & boats/engines circa 1910
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2002 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are the pictures from mechman.... Thanks Larry!
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mechman
Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2002 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detail of factory from CNE postcard\image {cgp&l}
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2002 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mechman,
Don't leave any spaces between the word image and the first squiggly bracket. Also use just text characters within the brackets and not the "&" symbol or other symbols...
Keep trying! I am hoping that users can get comfortable posting pictures...
Regards,
Andrew
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miro
Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The location of the factory is now just a great big concrete ditch - it is known as the Gardiner Exprssway. And the Dufferin Gates of the Canadian National exhibition have been replaced by a modern steel arch. So , I guess the postcard is about the only evidence that the place ever existed ( and of course, the motors).

miro
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mechman@nexicom.net
Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Goodday all detailThe factory detail photo showing the building is just North of the parkway & was still there five years ago--The name on it when I last seen it was "Disney displays.(this is a detail from the CNE photo) Larry Healey
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Joe
Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks everyone who added to the info on this engine. Is there any one who has a picture of a complete engine to add the important little details for a restoration?? And thank you Andrew for your help and patience..........Joe
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Richard Day
Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2002 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the mixer has one only needle valve and the other control actually determines the amount of lift the intake check is permited. It would be adjusted for maximum speed under load with the butterfly open and the timer set for normal advance with the needle valve adjusted for best operation under load. The throttle butterfly would then be used to slow the engine down without the need to move the amount of inlet valve lift. Moving the amount of lift would be a pain as it would then require different needle valve settings for different speeds hence the provision of the throttle butterfly.

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