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1904 Kahlenberg 2 cyl.

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squareroot
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Posted on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

owned/restored by Bill Ettling

1904 Kahlenberg 2 cyl
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Nice Work !

Great looking old classic marine engine !


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jb_castagnos
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Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good looking motor, any history on it? Where is it located?
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gregoryan
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 09-2004


Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WoW! What a Big Petrol Two Stroke putt putt!!! OMG! Is there anything bigger in this category?
Is there a youtube clip available of this running?
How is it started?
Does it backfire out the carby like the smaller engines do?,. if so, I suppose this would not stifle it so bad, without a common inlet manifold filling with smoke [ it has two carbs]
How do such heavy Big-end bearings get good lube?;,. Just Petroil?
What size boat would it push?
and propeller would this drive?.. 26?
What is the bore/ stroke? [ I guess 6 x 7?]
HP rating? 30?
Revs?...400?
These are a lot of guesses, but it makes one think!
Thanks in advance for any answers.
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squareroot
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Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Bill has copies of the original invoice and an 'owners manual'? and other literature from the factory. Though making different products now, the company still exists. Bill lives near Jackson, Missouri, perhaps within 15 miles of the Mississippi River. The engine was originally shipped April 1, 1904, to Henry Hanrath, Frankfort, Michigan. So we assume it was to be used on Lake Michigan. If I have the story correct, this engine was 'salvaged' from the Kahlenberg factory in the 1930s. It went to a 'dry dock' at Cape Girardeau on the Mississippi River, where a tow boat was being built. The boat builder was probably at the factory to order or pick up his tow-boat engine. When the restoraton process barely began there, John Hall rounded up the pieces and sold the project to Bill many years later.
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squareroot
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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Continuing the story of the Kahlenberg. I should not have implied the restoration is complete; it is still in the process. The 'shop number of the engine is 18D. It is 24HP. Originally 8" stroke, 7" bore. Some time in its history it seems to have been overbored to 7.235" Kahlenberg literature says it weighs 1800 LB., has an operating speed of 300 RPM, and the propeller size was 34".
I'm not betting that Bill will ever run it; but it will be capable. Bill has high standards and won't cut corners mechanically.
You can probably see the 3 'standpipes' that grease the main bearings. Each has a brass greaser on top with a crossbar handle. The engine still needs an oiler (4- or 6-lines?). Also missing is a magneto bracket.
24hp KahlenbergKahlenberg igniters
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squareroot
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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

2 more pictures while I am at it.
Kahlenberg back-side
Kahlenberg clutch view
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ernie
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Posted on Friday, June 27, 2014 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Look at the ignitor linkage. At first glance it appears that they both trip at the same time.
My first thoughs were it was a twingle but at this size you couldn't start it against compression of both cylinders together.
After looking at the pics closely one trips when the linkage moves forward and the other trips when it moves aft.
Took a bit of head scratching to figure it out.
Just think what it sounded like under load.
What a nice engine and wonderfull restoration
Thanks for posting the pics and information.
Ernie
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robert
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Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Magnificent restoration. The gentleman could use some of the early round-bead pipe fittings. I believe the Kahlenberg's had 90 taps on the cylinder walls. I'm sure I've got a couple of taps here he could have.

Wonderfully smooth engines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAzd2ZzkzY
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peterss
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Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do I get bonus points for identifying Henry Hanrath's boat as the Rhine, 10 gross tons, 39 feet length X 10 feet beam, built 1904, owner home address of Frankfort, MI?

Source:
Beeson's Marine Directory, 1908

Beautiful engine!
Scott Peters}
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peterss
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Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like Rhine suffered a terrible accident:
RHINE Gas Propeller. U. S. No. 203483. Built 1904, of 10 Gross Tons. Dec. 26, 1908 vessel foundered at Frankfort, Lake Michigan and became a total loss with all 4 persons on board.
Loss of U. S. Vessels Reported in
Fiscal Year 1909. M.V.U.S., 1909
Source:
Maritime History of the Great Lakes website
Scott Peters
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squareroot
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Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Copy of original sales record:

original sales record

Close-up

close-up of original 1908 work-order

Rather crude; isn't it?!
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squareroot
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Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Apparently the engine was returned to the factory early in 1908 for 'upgrading.'

original 1908 work-order record

close-up of original 1908 work-order

So the 'terrible accident' must have occurred later in the year.
Thank you, Scott Peters, for discovering news of that sinking! And, YES, you have a double allotment of bonus points!!
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squareroot
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Posted on Monday, August 25, 2014 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kahlenberg specifications - I

Kahlenberg specifications - II

1916 Kahlenberg catalog

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