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spring
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I am in the process of researching the make and break single cylinder motor which is installed in a boat I would like to buy.

The motor is a 1915 Adams. I estimate it would likely put out 3-4 hp. Apparently the Adams Launch and Engine Company produced these motors in Penetanguishine Ontario.

My questions for you are several.

First. Can anyone provide further info about the company and the motor?

Second. Are parts still available?

Third. If I decided to make the purchase and have the motor overhauled, who would be a good choice to contact?

Any help you can provide in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!
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I can't help with info on your particular engine. Pictures would help identify it, it may be by another manufacturer and re badged. It's doubtful that anything besides piston rings are available, other parts would have to be fabricated. Does the engine turn, any compression, any parts missing?
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Bruce G, What can you tell Chris Spring about the Adams Launch and Engine Company??
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The Adams Launch and Engine Co. started production in 1903. In the first year they made 10 engines.In about 1908 they made both blind head and bolt-on head engines. Where are you located? There are one or two rebuilders in the area. We have a few extra parts for these engines.
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spring
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Thanks Bruce. I have been having trouble posting. Nothing seems to show. In any event, the motor is 1915. It is definitely an Adams. It is a bolt on head. It is not seized. I am near Ottawa.


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Hi again. I think I have my posting problems sorted.

I am in the process of doing due diligence on a boat with this motor. The motor comes with its original operating manual produced by the Adams Launch and Engine Manufacturing Company, Penetanguishine, Ontario.

Earlier I estimated 3-4 hp. More likely it is 2 hp. Adams built motors from 2-10 hp. This one has spark plug ignition vs ignitor.

From my limited knowledge, what to look for on this motor is a question? From what little I know, if it is intact, and if neither the head nor the cylinder appear to be cracked, that would likely be a good starting point.

Any advice would be helpful.


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Chris, try contacting Canadian engine collector Bruce Goss at bbgoss6@gmail.com
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Thanks Bruce. It looks like I am one step closer to the purchase. I was able to contact the owner this morning. He will hold the boat for me until I can get over to inspect it. It also seems he might know where several other Adams motors could possibly be found. Little by little it seems to be coming together. I'll contact Bruce Goss.

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Chris - Do you know if the boat is a Gidley, Adams or ?

Looking forward to seeing some photos.
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The boat is a Gidley.
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I bought the Gidley. It appears to be complete. The motor both turns and has some compression. The next question is what would you do to return it to service if this was yours? Tear it down and clean, inspect and repair as necessary? or, put some fuel in it and see if it will start? I have tried uploading pics but apparently they are too big.

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Chris, I'm also looking forward to seeing pictures of the Gidley Launch and the Adams engine..
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Nothing seems to be working in terms of being able to upload pics. that is frustrating.

In any event, according to Larry the motor is 2 1/2 hp. It comes with an original owners manual.

The manual refers to make and break, as well as jump spark ignition systems. I am assuming that since this motor has a top mounted spark plug, it is in fact a jump spark system.

I didn't see the ignition box. Larry assures me it is there.

As I mentioned, the entire motor appears to be intact with no broken parts. The carburetor is a Monarch as opposed to Schebler.

I'm pretty excited about it. This thing is a veritable time capsule. The boat itself does not appear to require a great deal of work. Most of what needs to be done is cosmetic.

Any input folks here can provide WRT the motor would be helpful. I am of the opinion that I should probably open the motor up, clean it, and give it a good inspection and lubrication before attempting to start it for the first time.

Adams says it will burn any grade of gasoline, and that the oil mix should not exceed 1 pint per gallon. I am interested on your opinions WRT fuel, oil, and lubricants.

I am also curious as to what kind of fuel consumption I can expect? The fuel tank is mounted in the bow, and at a guess i would say that it likely holds about 3 gallons.

Parallel to that, I have no idea how much power the ignition system will use. I will use a Ford trembler. I am planning on 6v as opposed to 12. I have no idea what to use for a battery, or how long it will last between charges.

As I mentioned, on all of these points, any input you can provide would be helpful.

Cheers!
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Some people use 2nd hand lawn mower or Motorcycle batteries. I've seen emergency exit lighting batteries used. 6 volt saves the points on the trembler but harder to find a source. A couple three 9 volt dry cells wired in paralell would get you going-coil doesn't use a lot of juice. Think about the old dry cells that were used originally. Members here are pretty good about helping post pictures to this site if you e-mail them the pictures. Personally I'd not tear into the Adams before you get it running unless there is an obvious problem like play in the crank or rod bearing. A friend of mine has an Adams in his shop at present complete with builders badge. I'll see if I can get pictures to e-mail to you. I'm excited to see pictures of the Gidley boat!! Maybe start with 16:1 oil OR 32:1 MIX
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Here is a very good article by an expert - Dick Dat:

https://www.gasenginemagazine.com/gas-engines/antique-marine-engine-tips
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Sorry - Dick Day!!!
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Thank you Dick and Bruce. When it comes to info, all donations gratefully accepted.


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Here she is.

http://www.portcarlingboats.com/our-newest-listing-an-historic-gidley-inboard-do ry-16-1915/

cheers!
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Thanks Chris, Amazing condition!! A good scrub down inside and rock and roll. Don't want it to look too awful new-leave some age to it. Sure is a ROUND bottom..
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Thanks Bruce. This restoration will require thought, care and attention. The intention is to use the boat. To do that there will be remedial work required, fortunately nothing major. It is rare to find a time capsule like this. About the absolute worst thing a well intentioned individual could do would be to restore it in such a way its history and patina is lost. In this case the focus will be to make it serviceable. Where that requires the use of modern paints for example, they will be applied over the original in such a way that they can be removed. If new parts are required, the old ones will be kept so they may be re-installed to return the boat to its original condition. My concern with the Adams has been that without tearing it down, cleaning, and inspecting it first, I might drastically shorten its life. If folks here were to say, don't worry about it. These things are nearly bulletproof. If there is nothing obvious, it'll be fine, it will get a cleaning and an attempt will be made to start it. But first, I have to get it home.

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Currently I am bidding on 2 Ford Model A/T exciter boxes. Larry says the boat has one. I didn't see it and am assuming that in fact there is none.

The ones I am bidding on have been overhauled, tested and set at 1.3 amps. With those I should have enough spares to last quite awhile.

What I need is your input WRT ignition (spark plug) lead. I could go to some place like NAPA and find a suitable automotive lead, but in pics I have seen used a type of lead I can't identify that would be more correct for the period. What say you?

It sounds as if basic math will sort which 6v battery I should choose. I am aiming toward something with lots of capacity and small dimensions. That way I could build a box to hide it that would be sympathetic to the period.

If, by chance I could get by with say a 7.4v lipo battery as used on RC model aircraft or drones, I could likely stow everything in the existing box shown in the pics.

Tomorrow I will narrow the search on a suitable trailer.

After that I go get it.

Looking at my calendar I could possibly have the Gidley home by the end of next week.

And then the fun begins.

Cheers!
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That Lipo battery sounds about right. choose your trailer carefully as the proper hull support for trailering and storing is critical to the continued integrity of the hull. Just imagine rolling along at 85 KPH and and bumping over pot holes with that 80 pound engine on board
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Thanks Bruce. I have narrowed the trailer search to two models. Both have adjustable bunks. I will likely purchase one today.

I have been concerned about hull support, and getting the boat safely home.

I had already planned that for the trip home I would purchase a sheet of 2" insulation foam which I can cut and shape. I will use it to build up the bunks to follow the shape of the hull and to better distribute the load. I will also throw in a 6" plank which could come in handy in supporting the keel for most of its length.

An additional option would be to remove the engine and carry it separately in the box of the truck.

Cheers!
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Chris, I think you'll need to think seriously about trailering the boat .
That engine bed looks original (modest) and with wide spaced ribs, you'll see quite a bit of flex in the hull, when it is out of the water.

If it were my boat, I'd lift the engine out of the boat before trailering it.

As for ignition, I'm using the 12V design which is a modern version of the Model T type buzz coil hidden in a wooden box made of quarter sawn oak.
It draws about 0.7A but gives about 2x the output voltage - much more efficient but looks correct to the period.
The last thing you want to experience is an ignition failure when you're out in the boat.
At a Show - not so bad.
The battery is a small AGM (Sayal Electronics in Barrie) . I have made up kits for some of the guys and you supply the your own 12V coil and the box.

I use a 25:1 gas oil mix. On an older used engine, the richer oil mix helps seal the piston. Some of the guys use as rich as 16:1 mix for worn engines.
The seal also helps with the bump starting - much easier than taking the piston up over TDC .

I'm near Port Carling - where are you?

Here's my boat.
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/4/276504.html

And recent work on the cosmetics
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/discus/messages/4/278190.html

miro
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Thanks Miro. All the info you provided is helpful. You will note in my post above that removing the motor prior to transport is certainly being considered.

Your launch looks pretty cool. And I love the sound.

I live about 30 minutes south of Ottawa.

Cheers!
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https://youtu.be/AupCHdaUxgA
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I have been successful on scoring two Ford ignition boxes from eBay. Miro's setup is no doubt more efficient, but I elected to go with the Ford boxes at 1.3 amps. I can change it to his system later if I wish.

Yesterday I purchased an Excalibur BT1200 trailer. It has the length and adjustable bunks. Today, I will modify it to provide keel support over 12' of its length. And as mentioned earlier, when I go to pick up the boat I will have a hockey sock full of stuff to ensure adequate hull support for the trip home.

If I decide the motor should be removed, I'll do that before moving the boat anywhere. It can ride in the box of the truck.

Since I can't get down and back same day, the current plan calls for me to pick up the boat, then only move it about a 40 minute drive away to where I will overnight and can check how it was loaded. Any difficulties can be rectified there.

And yesterday as well, I scored two 6V 20 ah lead acid batteries for the ignition system. One and a spare. They come from an emergency lighting kit. At the price, I couldn't turn them down. They were much cheaper than the lipo's I had originally intended to use.

I think that all I need now is a suitable ignition lead and some wire, and once home and cleaned up,I should be able to try to run the Adams.

Small steps.

Cheers!
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The Gidley followed me home last Thursday. It made the trip without a scratch.

Friday I started surveying it. I found no huge surprises. There are a few things that predictably cropped up. All seem easily rectified.

One however still has me mystified. The boat overall is in very good condition, however, there is a bevel (mitre) gear on the motor located immediately behind the flywheel. It has some lash in it.

I have been in contact with Bruce Goss who suggests JB Weld to secure the bevel gear to the flywheel.

I have no reason to doubt Bruce, however, before I take that step, is there anyone else out there with perhaps an Adams in captivity, who can confirm that there should be no lash?

Cheers!
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I think I am getting fairly close to running the Adams. If I can get the time to putter with it. I am in the hunt for an ignition lead, even something I can use temporarily just to get it running. Any thoughts? Would any old wire do for now.

Cheers!
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Today I got the ignition circuit operating, including the kill switch. For an ignition lead, for lack of anything better, I simply used a length of un-grounded extension cord. I wrapped both wires together and added crimped terminals at each end. It works.
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Thank you to all who offered input. I ran the motor for the first time a couple days ago. It ran on prime on the very first flip, and first flip every time afterward. It took several more flips to get the carb adjusted such that it would continue to run. However, the main thing is, it runs, and surprisingly well.

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I took another look at your video - looks like you've got a "real" boat not just a "trailer queen".

I'm in the final throes of finishing my boat and I'm looking forward to seeing your as you progress.

The props look OK, seems that either one will do ( Left Hand or Right Hand) . I like the muffler.

Miro
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Thanks Miro. With the motor serviceable, the viability of the project is not in doubt. I will remove the motor this week so I can begin the hull conservation/restoration. I likely won't have the boat in the water til next spring. The fuel tank has over 100 years of crud in it. Lots Can anyone offer advice on how best to clean it? I am considering steaming it.

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I got a bit of a surprise. The who, when, and why will never be known but someone tried to sabotage the Gidley.

In prepping the motor to run, I tried to remove over 100 years of grunge from the tank. I wasn't really successful. Since I was anxious to get it going I rigged up a plastic tubing fuel line, running it through the lowest point in the bilge. As I ran the motor grunge accumulated at the low point in the line, but didn't reach the carb.

Later I began to clean the tank in earnest, using varsol, then filtering it before using it again. I removed at least one heaping handful of sand from the tank, and I'm not done yet. Go figure?
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Can anyone tell me what kind of fuel consumption i can expect with the 2 1\2 hp Adams? Although I haven't yet measured it, the fuel tank likely holds 5 gallons.

Cheers!
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I think you can expect that you'll burn about 1 litre per hour of running. In the old ( now new) fantail, the 2 cylinder St Lawrence used just over 1 litre on a 45 minute run. I rarely have more than half a tank of fuel in the boat - enough to "get going and go " but not so much that it goes stale. I now only use non-ethanol gas in my boats.

With your 20 litre tank the gas will go stale before you use it up.

Alternatively, if you use up the whole tank, you'll have spent many happy hours of "messing around" in your old boat.

Miro
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Thanks Miro. your response is helpful.

Cheers!
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I have tried, but am unable to post a pic of the water pump. Posting pics is a PITA.

I can't say I have a concern, but I do have a question regarding the tolerance between the crankshaft and the water pump connecting rod. If I were to guess I'd say there is perhaps .020 play between the two, enough that I can make it rattle. Is that a problem?

What say you?

Cheers!
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A wobbly strap for the pump is not a problem usually - 20 thou play should be OK- give it a couple of drops of oil from time to time.
There isn't much pressure - up or down - on the strap. Just make sure the packing around the piston of the pump doesn't leak.

From the video I could see the hex sided nut at the bottom of the pump - if you haven't already, loosen that off until it comes off, and put 5 - 7 turns of graphite packing string around the pump shaft and tighten down that hex until snug - but not super tight.

Pull the engine over by hand with primer valve open while you are making the final tightening of the hex at the pump to let the packing form a seal.

Some day the whole thing will get badly worn, in which case the refurbishment is quite straight forward. But by that time , you'll have spent many happy hours and litres of gas messing around in the boat.

miro

ps the oars on the boat show a classic Muskoka detail - the shaft is elliptical in cross section where it meets the spoon
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Thanks again Miro.

Pump is packed pretty much as you suggested.

I love the oars.

Cheers!
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https://youtu.be/Vnsyy9NPKf0

For your viewing pleasure. An explanation is with the video.

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I am curious about the greasers. My question pertains to how to properly use them? As I rotate the cap clockwise I can feel the resistance increase as grease gets to the bearing. I understand that how much tension to use will come with experience. What puzzles me is the conflicting information I have heard or read on how often to tweak the caps. The Adams manual does not speak to that. I have heard that the caps should be tweaked about every ten minutes in operation. Elsewhere I have heard they need to be tweaked only a couple of times per day. I get that tweaking them too often would result in nothing other than a mess and empty greasers. I also get that not enough could cause premature wear on the bearings. Presuming the motor itself, and especially the main bearings are in good shape, what say you?
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miro
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Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2018 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a positive pressure inside the crankcase and as a result, the mixture of gas / oil seeks to find its easiest path out - and when it does so through the bearings in the case of worn bearings, it lubricates them.

But in your case, the bearings are OK, so just a thin film is all that is needed. Every ten minutes is too often.

I usually give my greasers 1/2 turn before starting, then after about 10-15 minutes of running another 1/2 turn and that's it for the next 30-445 minutes. By that time I usually remember to do it again, having soaked up the passing scene as I cruise slowly by.

When your bearing wear you'll find little black spots inside the hull near the bearings - a sign that all is well (usually). It's only when your engine gets hard to start that you'll have to worry about re-doing them - you'll be old and grey by that time..

miro
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spring
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Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2018 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks again Miro. That is helpful.

Cheers!
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spring
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can anyone help me out WRT finding a Canadian source for 7 mm cloth covered ignition wire by the foot, and period correct for 1915? I will need terminal ends as well.

Cheers!
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bcm
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is 7mm cloth covered ignition wire 46" length.
Includes RAJ mechanical terminals.
Price $ 10 Can plus Canadian postage.
Contact me by email if interested.

Barry
www.goslowboat.com

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spring
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2018 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Barry.

Cheers!
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ernie
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The cloth covering that is used today is conductive. So cloth covered wire will not work if it gets wet.
Wet is any kind of moisture. Including just overnight dew.
There are several posts here by JB and myself about a summer rain storm and the only boats that ran afterwards were the ones with plain black spark plug wire. If you don't believe this simply pour some water on a piece then grab the wire in the middle when trying to start the engine.


By the way if you really want some send me a direct e-mail to let me know how much and I will send you some. I also have plain black non resistor wire in stock.
In fact if you want some cloth covered wire for show and some black so it will run no matter what the moisture status is send me 5 bucks and I will send you some of each.

Cloth covered primary wire is OK.
See pic below



There is nothing more frustrating than an engine that won't run, especially when it is something simple.
Hope this helps
Ernie
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spring
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Ernie. Another valuable bit of intel to have. Based on what you wrote I will be sure to have two leads on board, one to go, and one for show. Barry is sending me a cloth one. I'll see how this all shakes out, but I may yet take you up on your kind offer for a black one.

Cheers!
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spring
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Moments ago while perusing a copy of the Adams catalogue for 1921, that they list a 12 inch 3 blade propellor with the 2 1/2 hp motor. My boat came with a bent 11 something, and a 10/8 3 blade. The previous owner assured me that 10/8 would be fine. What say you?

Cheers!
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2019 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The old rule of thumb was a propeller the size of the flywheel. Most of these propellers were square (12X12). More propeller options are available today, many boats plane, and engines are run a little faster when full throttle, running easier at part throttle, not lugging. Propeller blade designs aren't comparable, new designs being more efficient. If he said it worked I would try it.
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spring
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Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2019 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks JB

Cheers!
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richarddurgee
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Spring

I may have some history of the Adams engine,
would need a good readable photo of the name plate. also any photos you want posted here-click on my name at left and email photos I will Size and post them.
Great old marine engine and boat !

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2019 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Spring's photos

1. ag1

2. ad2

3. ad3

4. ad4

5. ad5

6. ad6

Thats a rare old marine engine !

I'll see what I have on history of Adams Engine & Launch.

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Friday, February 01, 2019 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Gidley History

http://www.searchmytree.com/Gidley%20ATSIP.php


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chris_spring
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Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yesterday I decided to put the original carb float back in the motor so I could set it up. That float will be swapped out with an after market one shortly. I kept the boat captive since the ice on the river only went out last week, and the river is in flood. Taking the Gidley for a cruise would be at least one level of risk higher than necessary.
Attached is a video. Finer adjustments can no doubt be made later but for now it starts easily first time every time, hot or cold.

Cheers!
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chris_spring
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Sorry. I couldn't get the video to upload. Ditto my luck with pics. Frustrating!

Until there is a simpler. more effective way of doing so, I won't bother trying from now on.

Cheers!
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ernie
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Posted on Monday, April 22, 2019 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chris,
You can't upload vids here. Put it up on youtube and then post a link is the best way.
Hope this helps
Ernie
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chris_spring
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I have now put over 30 hrs on the motor. It starts well, and runs OK. Originally it had a bit of a blow by issue. After a few hours of run time that went away. With time I was able to get it set up where the fuel consumption was reasonable. However, I did occassionaly have a problem with overheating. Chasing it down made me crazy. Finally I sorted it. The issue was pump capacity. The water inlet on the block is quite small, as is the pump displacement. As the season progressed and the water temperature rose, the problem began. The solution was to be mindful of the fact that if one pushes the motor too hard, the pump cannot move enough water to provide adequate cooling. Throttle back a bit and everything will be fine. I offer this since it may be applicable to other motors under similar conditions.
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chris_spring
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Posted on Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For your viewing pleasure. It has taken me all summer to get the Adams running as well as it is now. Right now it is near perfect. Long may it continue.

At the height of the difficulties I was having with it, despite advice to the contrary, out of frustration I was leaning heavily toward having the motor overhauled. Last week I received a passing comment via email that stated that air leakage past the main bearings could cause backfiring, rough running, and an erratic fuel mixture. That all makes sense. As it turns out, I believe that was an issue. I had been using the greasers regularly but perhaps too lightly. I re-calibrated the wrist action and together with an air horn adjustment, the motor now runs as smoothly as can be.

What a treat to be cruising along in a boat built in 1915 powered by its original motor. Even at 104 years of age, the intention is that the boat get regular use. I have made every effort to run it at least twice a week throughout the summer. Not only did I need that time to sort issues, but since the boat is trailered, getting it wet a couple of times per week has helped keep the hull planks moist.

It is scheduled to appear at an event in Westport, Ontario this weekend. It also generated a lot of interest at a show at Rideau Ferry in August.

In a few short weeks it will likely be put away for the winter. Both the hull and the motor appear to be in such remarkable condition there will be very little maintenance to do.

Barry. The info contained in your thumb drive, although pertaining specifically to the St. Lawrence motor, has proved invaluable, and is continually referred to.

Cheers!



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