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rustyb
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I recently came across a Hettinger engine for sale. I estimate the hp at 10-15. The engine has a 71/2 inch piston. The tag says it was patented in 1903, 1905, and 1908. The serial # is 1584. The engine is not stuck, but the ignition system is missing. The brass carb is still there. Does anyone know what this type of engine is worth, or do you know where I can find more info on Hettinger engines. Are parts available? Thanks in advance for any help!
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Richard Day
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hettingers are very collectable. Hang on to it and see what turns up is my reccomendation.
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it a marine engine?

Hettinger made a lot of marine engines but they also made horizontal tank cooled and hopper cooled "stationary" engines that were used for hauling the "oyster dredges" on the Delaware Bay workboats, but were also used for marine railways and many there more common stationary engine uses.

I have a lot of Hettinger information. Original catalogs as well as copies and patent drawings and some parts... but to answer your question above, parts are essentially not available, except for the carburetor, battery, coil, etc which would be fairly generic.

I have a two cylinder marine Hettinger that is in very rough shape. I have seen 6 or 8 of the stationary Hettingers, but never another marine version. I think most of them became moorings or seawall fill. Hettingers were used exclusively on workboats, so when they were done... they were done... nobody felt the need to save them.

Regards,
Andrew

hett
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Reading your description again, I assume it is a stationary engine. Is it hopper cooled or tank cooled?
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rustyb
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its a hopper cooled stationary engine...was last used in VA on a railway. Thanks a lot for all of the info. I'm making an offer on the engine tomorrow mnorning. If I get it, I'm sure I'll have a lot more questions!
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good luck...

Let us know what happens.
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rustyb
Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, I now own a Hettinger! Actually, my dad, brother and I each own a third of it. We are going to move it to its new home tomorrow.

Andrew, could you point me to the source of your drawings, catalogs, etc.? I want to see if the carburetor (mixer?) is original, what kind of coil it originally had, etc. I will try to post a picture of it tomorrow.

Thanks again for all the good info!
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

post a picture so we can see what you have and I will forward you some relevant info. Most to the catalogs I have are for the marine engines, but I do have pictures of other stationary engines and some info. Max Homfeld wrote an article for Gas Engine Magazine some years ago on Hettinger.
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rusty
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We got the engine home yesterday. It had railway winding equipment attached...which also was made by Hettinger. The engine and railway all had either 12A or 12R stamped on it.

The brass carb is a Stromberg. I'm assuming it had a buzz coil for ignition, so I will have to replace that. There was one bad spot in the top of the hopper that had rusted through..but I think it can be fixed without any trouble. The rings are stuck so she doesn't have much compression.

Here are a couple of photos, so if anyone can give me any more info it would be greatly appreciated!
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rusty
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry...here are the photos

Hettinger 1
Hettinger 2
hettinger Carb
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richarddurgee
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)




I would think that this Hettinger marine railway was an adaption of the oyster dredges.
To keep the gear box assembly together with the engine would preserve a very special nautical piece of history, without it, just another stationary engine!!
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richarddurgee
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hett
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rusty
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the info on Mr. Hettinger! We are going to try and restore the railway equip. as much as we can. A few of the gears are missing, but we think we know where they are.

According to the history we have so far, this was the first railway on the Potomac river, and was the only one below Alexandria that could haul the larger skipjacks and other boats. The railway opened in 1898, and was closed in 1961. I'll keep you posted as the story unfolds!
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andrew
Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was a similar hopper cooled Hettinger operating a small marine railway in Mays Landing New Jersey that was just sold and dismantled about 5 years ago. Probably somewhat smaller than your engine. I have pictures of the engine, winch, and railway prior to dissasembly... if I can find them... they are not digital, but if I can find them I can scan them.
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rusty
Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks again for any info you can provide. If anyone can point me to sources of info such as drawings, manuals, etc. it would be greatly appreciated. Andrew, pictures of another railway setup would be great..I hope you can find them! I hope I can return all these favors one day!
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stevenschalick
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Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

andrew i would like to get in touch with you! Myself and another guy are the guru of hettinger gas engines if you can call me 856 498 6850

schalicksteven@yahoo.com
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paulgray
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Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 05:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rusty- Me thinks the carb on this was originally a Lunkenheimer-type mixer or possibly one of their own design. The brass carb you have ante-dates the engine by about 10-15 years. Nice find! Hettinger certainly did not scrimp on iron when they made their engines. If you need gears, the Coates men turned me on to Martin Sprocket Co. - nice stuff at a very reasonable cost.
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andrew
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Posted on Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steve,

You can post questions/info here or you can email me at andrew@marineengine.com.

Regards,
Andrew Menkart
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stevenschalick
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

paul you are correct lunkenhiemer came on the later engines they were a 1 1/4 90 degree i have two of the 3 horsepower 1 12 horse and 1 8 horsepower

the 12hp came with the winder i live 12 miles from where they were built

steven
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stevenschalick
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

andrew:
you say you have a hettinger marine engine
steven
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Hettinger made 2 & 4 cycle engines.

1909


H09


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stevenschalick
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

they also made 5 6 8 and 10 cylinder motors
they were all used in oyster boats there were 3 dealers bridgeton, "choansey river" Virginia and baltimore md

did you hear about his plane
steven
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andrew
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The two cylinder marine engine I have is similar to the one in Richard's ad above. It came from the Delaware Bay and is in very rough condition. I don't think I have any digital pictures of it.

I have a lot of data on Hettinger (old catalogs and articles) and saw a lot of the flywheel engines when I lived in New Jersey, but I never saw another marine version. Most of them became moorings or fill for a bulkhead.
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stevenschalick
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i have alot of pictures of marine engines mostly from catalogs it seems that they were used alot in the bay! i know of a few marine engines around is yours capable of running

steven
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andrew
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Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steven,

It's definitely not in running condition. As to whether it is "capable" of running... if you look through this board you will see some amazing examples of engine restoration, so I suppose it could be restored, but it would be a major undertaking.
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stevenschalick
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Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2009 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

andrew

Well if you ever get tired of it or would like to trade or sell please let me know.

I have another 12 hp that i am getting ready to sleve it its got a 8" dia cylinder yikes
steven

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