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andrew
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Post Number: 923
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joe Joyce has sent in the following:

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HELLO,

THESE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF A 1901 – 1902? VINTAGE “FAHRNEY HYDRO CARBON MOTOR” I AM TRYING TO GET IT OPERATIONAL. I NEED INFORMATION ON THE IGNITION SYSTEM THAT ATTACHED TO THE ENGINE. I BELIEVE A “MAKE AND BREAK” TYPE SYSTEM. ALSO NEED TECHNICAL INFO ON THE FUEL SYSTEM.

THE LUBRICATION SYSTEM IS A DISTRIBUTION MANIFOLD ARRANGEMENT (ADJUSTABLE) SUPPLYING EACH BEARING IN THE ENGINE. “I BELIEVE”. A COUPLE OF THE PHOTOS SHOW THIS. THIS OPERATES AND DISTRIBUTES OIL FROM ALL OF THE METERING UNITS IN THE MANIFOLD.

THE OIL COLLECTS IN THE SUMP AND IS DRAWN OUT IN SOME FASHION AS THERE IS A PLUGGED PORT COMING FROM THE SUMP.

ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THE ENGINE WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED.

THIS IS A TWO CYLINDER ENGINE. THE DATA PLATE INDICATES IT IS RATED AT 8 HORSEPOWER AT 600 RPM. ENGINE TYPE IS MARINE No. 54.

BUILT BY: E. H. FAHRNEY, CHICAGO, ILLINOIS (EMERY HOMER FAHRNEY)

MY RESEARCH HAS SHOWN ME THAT MR. FAHRNEY WAS A PARTNER WITH THE “TERMAAT & MONAGAN COMPANY” AND THIS COMPANY BUILT HIS ENGINE DESIGNS.

THANK YOU FOR ANY INFO.

MY E-MAIL IS jjoyce@westerbeke.com

MY ADDRESS:
JOE JOYCE
P.O. BOX 420
EAST HAMPSTEAD, NH 03826



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richarddurgee
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Post Number: 568
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A real piece of history here, I have searched several years to get an illustration or photo of a Fahrney engine, now that I see it it shows no likness to T & M engines that i've seen ? 1892 was year that T & M went to making engs and from what i've read Fahrney and his patent was tied in with its inception.The patent date on this tag says March 5 1901, interesting to know if he had earlier patents or patents applied for and issued so many years later ? Has anyone ever seen another Fahrney engine or picture of one ???
The eng above appears to have a jump spark ignition system, with spark plugs , shaft driven timer and box on starboard side may be coil ?? Whats in that box ??
The reverse gear is interesting as well if its original equipment it must be a Paragon ( first ones made in 1899 )
Thanks for posting photos of it, A Fascinating Old Marine Engine for sure !!
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andrew
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Post Number: 924
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,

Here is another photo that Joe had sent, hopefully he will post here with some more info.

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ernie
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Post Number: 416
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have spoken with Joe. He works about a mile from me. In the next couple of weeks I will hopefully get to see the engine and assist Joe in sorting out his questions. Then make it run! At that time I will get more pics.
Richard, the square box appears to be part of the oiling system.
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robert
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is the photo brightened up a bit, or was I the only one who couldn't make it out? What a piece of history...
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jack
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That spark timer--Is it a carbon brush device which would be connected to a model T type coil perhaps? I don't see anything resembling breaker points in the picture which would rule out a distributor or magneto as we know them today. If it is a Ford type system, the spark plug wires would go to a coil box rather than to the timer? Just curious. Thanks.
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andrew
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Post Number: 942
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Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

More info from Joe:

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GOOD MORNING ANDREW,

I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE CANADIAN NORTHWEST.

ATTACHED ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE BOX ON THE SIDE OF THE ENGINE.

IT IS A FUEL BOX/FLOAT CHAMBER. THE INLET AND OUTLET ARE VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOS. THE OUTLET OF THE FUEL BOX IS JUST BELOW THE METERING VALVE ON THE INTAKE TUBE OF THE ENGINE. THE FAUCET LIKE KNOB ON THE TUBE. THIS HAS GRADUATIONS ON IT FROM 0 – 10. THIS ALSO HAS A THREADED OPENING ON THE LOWER SIDE JUST INBOARD OF THE ADJUSTING KNOB. THIS METERING VALVE GOES INTO A VENTURI AREA THAT IS VISIBLY LARGER IN DIAMETER THAN THE INTAKE TUBE ITSELF AND ABOVE IT JUST BEFORE THE TUBE TAKES A 90 DEGREE TURN INTO THE HEAD IS A BRASS THROTTLE PLATE ARRANGEMENT.

WHEN VIEWING THE INLET SIDE OF THE FUEL BOX THE PHOTO SHOWS A PLUGGED FITTING COMING OUT OF THE BASE OF THE ENGINE. BELIEVE THIS IS TO EXTRACT OIL FROM THE SUMP.

LOOKING TO GET TOGETHER WITH ERNIE WHO IS HERE IN THE SAME INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE I WORK TO SORT OUT THE IGNITION SYSTEM.

THE SHAFT DRIVEN BAKELITE DISTRIBUTOR ARRANGEMENT HAS TWO CONNECTIONS ON IT THAT I LOOK TO BE FOR THE HIGH TENSION LED’s TO THE SPARK PLUGS. BEHIND THIS ON THE BLOCK IS ANOTHER BAKELITE TYPE PLATE WITH TWO VACANT TERMINALS AND TWO LED’s THAT GO TO THE DISTRIBUTOR. THESE TWO VACANT LED’s I SUSPECT ARE FOR CONNECTIONS TO A COIL BOX.

THANKS FOR THE HELP AND SUPPORT.

JOE JOYCE




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JOE JOYCE
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Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HELLO ROBERT, THE RED BAKELITE DISTRIBUTOR AS I CALL IT THAT I HAVE ATTACHED THE PLUG LEDS TO. I MAYBE INCORRECT HERE. THERE IS ANOTHER BAKELITE BLACK PLATE BEHIND THAT HAS TWO VACANT CONNECTS AND TWO WIRES INTO THE RED DISTRIBUTOR. THERE AR BRUSHES IN THE RED BOX PART OF THE DISTRIBUTOR THAT RIDE ON THE TURNING BARREL THAT HAS TWO BRASS CONTACT POINTS. BELIEVE THE PLUG LEDS NEED TO BE ON THE BLACK PLATE BEHIND AND THE MAG COIL ON THE RED BOX PART OF THE DISTRIBUTOR THAT HAVE THE BRUSHES IN IT. THE NOTCHED LEVER THAT THE BRASS ROD FROM THE DISTRIBUTOR BOX RIDES ON APPARENTLY CHANGES THE TIMING.
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ernie
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Post Number: 1551
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,
Hard to believe it has been 8 years since we discussed this one. Have you run into any more info?
I finally got in touch with Joe and will try to get up to NH where the engine is in the next month or so and get more pics.
Thanks
Ernie
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richarddurgee
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Post Number: 2881
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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The pictures and any additional info would be appreciated. I did look through the patent library and Emery H. Fahrney had several, 1900 he applied for an engine igniter and it was issued in 1901. Fahrney was an inventive fellow, late 1920's thru 30's he was granted many 15 or so ! I have not discovered any new info as to the 8 yr old posts above !

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