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richarddurgee
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Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a 1909 ad, Grasser Marine Motor. They were well advertised early 1900's but realized I have not seen one of them ! Anyone have one or any photos ?

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searcher
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Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As a 'new kid' to this hobby, it tickles me to have an engine of interest. My Grasser is set up similar to the one depicted in the ad you posted except it is a single cylinder, probably 1 1/2 hp. I will post photos of it in a day or two as time and patience (with the posting process) permits.
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bruce
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Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Iteresting to see the "Tuttle" concept timer.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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If you have trouble posting photos here, email them to me I'll Post them- Looking forward to seeing The Grasser.I'll also look for an old ad with a single !
oceanblu@adelphia.net
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searcher
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Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are nine photos of the Grasser. This engine is as I acquired it. It needs an oiler, the needle valve on the mixer is not original, and there are a few other minor things but it is largely intact with no major repairs needed.

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Searcher

What an oustanding original Old Marine Engine!
I have found several ads in the yr 1909 but they use the same twin photo as in above ad. I'll keep looking.
Great job posting the photos-- much appreciated!
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thomas
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Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I aways wanted an engine with that "oscillating" type of ignition (like a Tuttle!!)
Great engine. Should be running without too much
effort (easy for me to say).
T
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searcher
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Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Being somewhat green at this, a friend helped me crank this one over. We didn't have much time that afternoon and didn't have the fittings necessary to connect the mixer to a fuel supply. So, we just squirted a bit of fuel into the spark plug hole and gave it a spin. Took a couple of tries to get the timing right but it did run for a brief periods on squirts of fuel.
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searcher
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard,

Look up Lacy Brothers, Page 270, in C.H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines since 1872. Lacy was also located in Toledo, Ohio as was Grasser. The similarity between the Lacy and Grasser is unmistakable, the Lacy setup is merely reversed from that of the Grasser. The Lacy may be a bit earlier. Possibly Grasser bought the rights to the Lacy or was a reorganization of the Lacy Brothers enterprise?

I found an ad for a single cylinder Model A, Grasser, 2-2 1/2 hp, in a compendium of photocopies taken from various early boating magazines. It is on Page 43 of a June 1910 issue but, unfortunately, I cannot tell you which magazine as that part of the page was outside the copy area. It appears to be identical to the Grasser in the photos I posted here.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Lacy was one of the more complicated Mfgrs to follow their numerous successions.I dont have any info that the companies were using the same castings etc or was a successor but with their history its certainly possible !

1. Lacy Brothers Toledo,Ohio - By 1904 they were mfging 2 & 4 cycle marine engines.
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2.The Rathbun - Lacy Co. Toledo, Ohio Incorporated in 1905 by engineer Edward Rathbun and D.E. Lacy of lacy Bros Co. Trade name of engines "Ralaco"
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3. S.M.Jones of Toledo, Ohio an engine mfgr bought The Rathbun-Lacy Co. in 19008-09. kept the "Ralaco" trade name.
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4.Some were in these years (ca 1912) The Cleveland Ice Machine & mfg Co. of Lorain,Ohio also produced these engines.
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5. By 1913 The Brown & Cochran Co. of Toledo was again producing "Lacy Engines".
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6.By 1917 Lacy Marine Motor Co. of Rochester, N.Y. was mfgring the "Lacy" engines.
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I'll compare these engines with the Grasser for likness, and post some photos !
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hrafn
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Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a unrestored Lacy from northern Minnesota.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does your engine have this style crankcase ?


1908

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hrafn
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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My engine looks almost identical to the Grasser shown in the previous posts.

I'll try to take more photos when I have some time.

Thanks.
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searcher
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Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a two cylinder Grasser currently for sale on eBay: 380154216506

Its worth taking a look because there is an unusual number of close up photos of the engine.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Cobbled up make and break mechanism ?

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ernie
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Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am going to go out on a limb and say I think it is original. From what memory I have left it seems Grasser engins had a Tuttle or Belle Isle style timer. If you look at the pics closely...
The water pump plunger appears to be missing
Some of the bolts appear to have SAE markings
The threaded area of the verticle rods are missing some nuts.
I saved the ebay pics as you don't often see these.
Just my thoughts
Ernie
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searcher
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Posted on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The single cylinder Grasser depicted early on in this thread is available in trade for a good Maine engine.

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