Home | Classifieds | History | Technical | Links | Store | About Us | Email
Topics Topics Edit Profile Profile Help/Instructions Help Member List Register  
Search Last 1|3|7 Days Search Search Tree View Tree View  

J. Sand & Sons

Old Marine Engine » One and Two Cylinder Gas Inboards » J. Sand & Sons « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller

Post Number: 153
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

J. Sand & Sons, 1023 Rivard Detroit Mich. The fan is wrong, but still a great little motor. Anyone ever heard of them before?







.
.

If anyone can post a photo or advertisement, I would appreciate it.
.
.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog

Post Number: 179
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These sure do look close


Roger DiRuscio
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog

Post Number: 180
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

darn the picture didnt fit
I wish something could be done about this
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller

Post Number: 154
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

send it to me, and I will post it.
wschall@charter.net
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog

Post Number: 181
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

3rd tryidentified as a 1910 montgomery wards outboard
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Scott Peters
Visitor
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Bill, it appears as if you have a "mystery of history!" I just checked through the Library of Michigan's collection of Detroit City directories from 1898-1914 and J. Sand and Sons appears for the first time in the 1909 directory, page 1843, as Sand, J. & Sons (Julius, Robert, Frank), Exclusive Mfrs. of High Grade Plumb Rules and Levels, 1023-1025 Rivard (ad page 205).
Page 205 ad refers exclusively to their Bricklayers, Masons and Carpenter's plumb rules and levels. There is a Edward Sand who is listed as a mechanical engineer, so maybe he was making some engines on his own and using the company's space. There is no mention in any of the ads up to 1914, nor in the classified directory under the many categories of Engine, Gasoline of anything for Sand. My best guess is that like many other Detroit builders, they were re-labeling somebody else's engine and marketing it as their own. This may sound stupid, but is there any possibility it might be some kind of drying device used in the masonry trades?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday

Post Number: 475
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why do I think the crankcase has a remarkable resemblance to the water cooled Gilmore Cragg?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

ernie
Senior Member
Username: ernie

Post Number: 623
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought the crankcase looked like a Detroit Auto Marine
And I always thought your Gilmore Cragg looked auto marineish
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller

Post Number: 156
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott Peters,

thanks for spending the time to look the information up for me. I know nothing about the history of this motor, other than what you see in the photos. I was sure hoping j. sands was a small engine, or boat maker. at least the time period matches up. it could have been used for anything, except it doesn't have any governor on it.

and, solarrog, what engine photo did you post?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog

Post Number: 184
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the air cooled outboat motor as spotted on the antique outboard motor site, It is believed to be a water sprite, It took several time to make it small enough to post, sure wish it was mine
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Dorothy Anderson
Visitor
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm Julius Sand's great, great granddaughter. He patented a level in 1895, and his business became quite successful. His sons had to bail out of the business after he died in 1929.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew

Post Number: 1250
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dorothy,

Thanks for posting!

Do you have any other company history you could share with us?

Regards,
Andrew
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

richardday
Senior Member
Username: richardday

Post Number: 489
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie, you may be right they both come from Detroit and there is a lot of resemblance. Wish we could come up with a history of Gilmore Cragg.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

deedee
New member
Username: deedee

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tried to post some attachments, but they would not take. I can try again.

Dorothy
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew

Post Number: 1256
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dorothy,

You could send them to me and I will attach them here.

If they are jpegs or gifs you can put them into the message. If they are pdfs or word documents they will be attached.

I would be happy to help.

Regards,
Andrew
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew

Post Number: 1278
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dorothy very generously sent us some advertising and newspaper clipings related to Julius Sand. Thank you Dorothy!

bio
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew

Post Number: 1279
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And clippings of Julius J. Sand's funeral of December 17, 1929.

photo
text

The bottom text of the article was cropped as shown above, there wasn't any more text available.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

solarrog
Senior Member
Username: solarrog

Post Number: 190
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It amazes me what information is still out there and is slowly turning up
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

andrew
Moderator
Username: andrew

Post Number: 1290
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dorothy has also sent us the following:

1

2
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

mikesand
New member
Username: mikesand

Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2010
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My name is mike sand, Julius is my great great grandpa, I was wondering if anybody knew how I could get a hold of Dorothy?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

johnny
Senior Member
Username: johnny

Post Number: 242
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 06:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike, Just go up to the box that has Dorothy's username (DeeDee) high lighted in blue click on it and her email should come up.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

primetrucks
Advanced Member
Username: primetrucks

Post Number: 38
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does anybody have a air cooled engine that looks like the j. sands and sons. i just got one from coolsprings and looks jist like the j sands and sons,the timmer is made a little differnt,belt drive fan. every thing the same would like to see some pictures of air cooled engines.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

david_doyle
Member
Username: david_doyle

Post Number: 16
Registered: 03-2013
Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow that timing lever sure is close to both the belt AND the spinning blades! Can we assume that men of old were simply more careful and never wore long sleeve jackets or was there a shroud?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

billschaller
Senior Member
Username: billschaller

Post Number: 568
Registered: 12-2003


Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jamie, can you post any photos of the one you bought?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

bruce
Senior Member
Username: bruce

Post Number: 385
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Binder Engine?? Jerry Rigg held the patent.His nick-name.. Stubby or Nick. Middle name Nickloss.... yada yada
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

richarddurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 3044
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*
Jamie

Putting air cooled & finned into my data base I found 16 air cooled engs and 8 that had finned heads or flywheels !
I researched Sands back when it was posted and could not come up with anything, ran through all engs listed again and no matches ?

Hard to imagine a spinning fan blade on a small launch!!

This engine is as close as I could find !

a1


a2


a3


a4


*
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

primetrucks
Advanced Member
Username: primetrucks

Post Number: 40
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi bill mine looks just like yours but mine has one more fin on top by the spark plug and the timmer looks like a cady ,big heavy brass with spring loaded plunger.will get some pictures.thanks
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

primetrucks
Advanced Member
Username: primetrucks

Post Number: 41
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just found some pictures of what my timmer looks like.the long handle with wood is missing,i have a short handle.

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Bold text Italics Underline Create a hyperlink Insert a clipart image

Username: Posting Information:
This is a public posting area. Enter your username and password if you have an account. Otherwise, enter your full name as your username and leave the password blank. Your e-mail address is optional.
Password:
E-mail:
Options: Automatically activate URLs in message
Action:

Administration Administration Log Out Log Out   Previous Page Previous Page Next Page Next Page

Home | Classifieds | History | Technical | Links | Store | About Us | Email
&copy 2005 OldMarineEngine.com, P.O. Box 188, Forest Dale, VT 05745-0188 • Phone: 802-247-4864 • All rights reserved.
   Marine Engine Seloc Repair Manual Lookup Tool

marine gas engine repair and restoration