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blacksmith54
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Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 03:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I found some very crusty Hall-Scott V-12s in Los Angeles last week I am hoping to find a V-12 to use in a boat project preferably a Packard Rolls-Royce like used on the landing craft an information on rebuilding one of these mega motors would be really appreacated.

Thank You

Kevin Knuth
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solarrog
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Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a site to visit, I visted their shop last year.
http://www.allensmarineengines.com/
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tony
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Hi Kevin,

i have manuals on the Hall Scott Defender v12s, can possibly assist.

Do you have any images of the engine that you can share?

Are you going to buy the engines, if not are they for sale and roughly how much?

Tony
Perth Western australia

Will try to put on some RR marine engine images.Rolls Royce Merlin Marine
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blacksmith54
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Sorry I left my camera in Phoenix that day all of the engines are for sale
there are about eight V-12s and one Six two of the twelve's are industrial
and the rest are marine plus a small truck load of spare parts most of the
engines are in crusty shape I am looking at getting one of them. and enough
parts to fix it i have a manual already from Hall-Scott from the factory
(original I think)

As is where is around three thousand I think but will have to check with the
owner as that was my price
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tony
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Thanks for reply,

My dad worked on them, we would love to get one and run it. If you need any "experience" to get it running get back to me and I'll ask dad.

Tony
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Ken Jordan
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For those of you who are interested, we have a Hall-Scott Defender engine on display at the TOWE Auto Museum in Sacramento, Ca. It is in prime condition. It is not for sale, but is great to see. The grandson of Mr. Scott has been to the museum to see it.
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tony
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Thanks Ken,

do you have any images of it?

Tony
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ldobbins
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Hi Ken,

Who's engine is it? Martin Smith? I have 2 complete engines plus parts here currently.

Lew

"The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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tony
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Hi Lew,

Merry Christmas, we had xmas day yesterday, it was 41 degrees C, about 110 F I believe. You guys aren't in the storms that we saw on the news yesterday are you?

Forgive me for asking, have you sent any images of your engines? (I can't remember)If not could you please send me some?

Take care,

Tony
Western Australia
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drewbairdq051
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Looking for set of two Hall-Scott Defender twelve cylinder marine engines and gears. The Canadian Marine Heritage Museum is restoring Royal Canadian Navy Fairmile Q051 to fully operational condition for the Canadian Navy Centennial in 2010. It will be the only ship left from RCN operational. Manuals, info. also required. Sterling Admirals were also used but not in this boat. 80 Faimiles were built in Canada (160) engines should have history in Canada. Drew Baird Phone (519) 583-2440, Thanks
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blacksmith54
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I found an other Hall Scott engine out near Galveston Texas this one was stored indoors until about eight years ago when it was hauled off for scrap metal it wound up in a farmers field. I am still trying to find out more
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ldobbins
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Your picture looks like a pre-Korean era model 2268 (based upon the aux pump dead center in pic and distributor type). This should be a right hand (normal Marine) rotation engine. The intake manifold from this pic looks good. So many of them are rotted out from the water plenum, rusting from the inside out and destroying the entire manifold except the for the cylinder runners.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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lister
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I have a v-12 defender like new in dry storage that I would like to sell.
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ldobbins
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Greetings Lister,

You should contact Drew (4th post up) and see if they are still looking for a pair.

What model and serial number is your engine? Military or Civilian?
Two 12 cyl or four 6 cyl distributors?
Right hand or left hand rotation?

Any idea what you are asking?

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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Gentlemen,
Mr. Dobbins told me about this site and it sure is nice to see an intrest in Hall Scott Engines.
Me and my partners purchased the name & trademark for Hall Scott this past year and want to make a couple HS models of engines one being the 590 & maybe a horizontal.
Looking for any contact info ( names & numbers) you can pass my way concerning the sale of V-12's, Invader's, LM-6 & Truck Hall Scott's.
Thanks,
Spike
The Hall Scott Motor Car, Truck & Engine Co.
323-600-5630
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blacksmith54
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I got a phone call from Mr Robertson last week conferming the sale of the engines he had in L.A.

Hi Kevin,
I ended up buying the Hall Scott engines John Robertson had in Riverside. Thanks for the lead!

Any idea if the V12 in Texas ever got sold? It looked like a good core.

How about the 6 cylinder in Pecos?

Thanks again!

Chris
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David Pagano
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Im new to this forum and am located in Sydney Australia. I have a passion for antique boats and engines. I just picked up two Defenders (1 supposedly running). Man they are heavy my poor truck suffered getting one home. I didnt even try to put the other on my car trailer (ill get it next week). I also have several other cool engines in my boats. One is Rolls Merlin Powered and another that I just bought has a real early Universal six (dated 1923) but the motor has a corroded block (hopefully repairable). The place I got them from may have a manual for it but Im hoping if I dont do any good to get info to make the better one run on a stand. Anyone done this on this forum
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Donald Shannon
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Hello I am new to this web site

Our museum has 2 Hall Scott Marine V-12 engines. Any interested parties please contact dshannon@battleshipcove.org
We would prefer that they go to a museum setting or restored vessel.

Don Shannon
Battleship Cove
Fall River, Massachusetts
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scott_n
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Thanks Don the engines will make a great Addison to the mystic seaport's collection good working with you Scott
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ldobbins
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Just remember that when you go to move them, they weigh 4,995 lbs EACH!

Cheers,

Lew

The West Coast Sterling Guy!
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blacksmith54
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I spoke with the people who have the engine in the field near Galveston TX they are asking $3500 for it.
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Greetings,

I have two (2) New Old Stock distributor caps for the Hall-Scott Defender engine that I'm willing to sell to someone who can use them. I was told they would fit the V-12 in my fire truck, but the seller was incorrect. These things are just taking up space on my parts shelf, so if anyone is interested, please let me know. I don't recall the Delco-Remy part number off the top of my head, but it's printed on the box. One is out of the box, and the other is in the box, and still wrapped in the protective bee's wax paper. Please e-mail me if interested. Thanks!

Damon
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ldobbins
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Season's Greetings to all motor heads!

The V-12 Defender and the 6 cylinder Invader both used a dual spark 6 cylinder distributor. But of course, they are slightly different. The Defender also uses 2 of them.

The point here is that they look alike and without having the original in hand for comparison, they can be easily confused.

Late model military Defenders also used quantity 4, 24 Volt waterproof 6 cylinder distributors. These have an integrated coil. Very similar to the Dodge military flat head 6 truck engine distributors.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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Greetings Lew,

Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure how to read your post. Are you telling me that the parts I have are not for the Hall-Scott Defender? The caps I have are exactly like the caps for my fire truck's V-12 with the exception of the cap's height... it's much taller than the fire truck caps. I saw some sales literature on the Hall-Scott Defender listed on eBay a while back, the photo of the distributor caps on engine shown on the sales advertisement look exactly like what I have. The Delco-Remy part number for the caps I've got in the garage is: 1900591. Do you know if this is the correct part number? The source for the information I posted was a gentleman on eBay who was selling old Delco-Remy parts... WWII vintage. I e-mailed him and asked him if he could reference the books for that part number. He e-mailed me back asking me to call him, so I did. We had a very nice talk, and he informed me that the only application he could find for this distributor cap part number was the Hall-Scott Defender engine.

I know how hard it is to find parts for my old fire truck, I just wanna make sure these caps go to someone who can use them. Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Thanks for any help you might be able to provide.

Damon
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ldobbins
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Hi Damon,

My point was that The Invader and Defender distributors looked the same but did use differnt caps. I am glad to hear that someone DID look it up and see that it is for Defender.

I will see if I can find the correct part numbers for rotor and cap for both the Defender V-12 and the Invader 6 for the group.

Cheers,

Lew
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Hello all,

I'm well into the restoration of a 63' WW 2 AVR. For those familiar with the craft you'll know they were used as patrol/crash/gun boats. Basically a PT boat without the torpedoes and a bit shorter. This particular vessel served in the USAAF as P-619 in the Pacific. The boat was pretty rough when I got it but its come a long way and is fully operational now.

Until not too long ago I was going to repower with some 8V92's to get her speed back (currently a pair of beautiful 1944 Gray Marine 6-71 and TD crashbox combos provide the motivation...still uses telegraph) but have decided to go with the original Hall-Scott Defenders. We'll be re- engineering them somewhat as they a)don't make much power for their size and b) use WAY too much fuel for their power. I suspect the original camshaft profiles are way out of whack for its operating rev range and will be starting with those. Hoping for a 20% fuel efficiency increase and 900-1000HP. Still less than 1/2 HP/CID. Looking for 45 knots.

Haven't pulled the motors apart yet but no doubt will be looking for bits to go with. Spare bits for the gears (1.5/1)will also be in order I'm sure.

This is not some kind of institutional project but rather just some idiot who doesn't have the business to do such a thing on his income but there you have it.....I figure I'll be dead a long time.

If anyone has or has lines on pistons, bearings, gaskets, whatever, let me know.

As a side request I'm really needing some Bell Aircraft Mk 9 twin 50 gun mounts...you never know.

Thanks a lot,

Randy Cunningham


P-619
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defender
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re: P-619

My telephone number is 604 340-6915

Thanks again,

Randy
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scott_n
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Hi guys you can sea the Mystic seaport hall-Scott's on Y tube just look fore Mystic Seaport's Hall-Scott's
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Vis-a-vis the last post:

I've looked at a couple of the YouTube clips and there is certainly some misinformation there. These engines were not 950Hp but rather 630Hp in the presented form. A very rare option was a super charger which did raise the power but very few installations ever occured.

These engines did not come from a PT boat as surmised in one of the clips. In the photos one can note the forward facing exhaust manifolds which were exclusive to 63' AVR's also known as crash boats (see above photo). The exhaust was routed forward of the motors then directly out a 6" port in the side of the hull. The other WW 2 boat that made extensive use of these Defenders were the Fairmile Class built in the UK, Canada and Australia.

As a matter of interest, the dual plug arrangement was not merely a redundancy but served to assist in better flame propagation as the charge moved across the head to the exhaust port. The exhaust spark was timed slightly behind the intake spark.

Thanks

Randy
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duke
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Are these the engines that mystic port got from battleship cove ?
That was some dealing there, first they wanted money, then ya hear the mystic port people got them for no money !
Can museums do that, just unload stuff to whoever they want ?
Do these Museums get State & Fed. money or are they private ?
Just thinking out loud.....
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Most museums are non profit and privately funded
they can do what they want as long as they keep it on the books for IRS review. I think they are called 501C tax exempt foundations
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duke
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Ya well, I'm going to check to see, cause that whole deal was just, back door old east coast boys club.
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duke
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www.hallscottengines.com
good start, I guess they are adding more soon.
this site is very good, be nice to have a truck site too.

Duke
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I saw two Hall Scott V12 engines sitting behind an old barn, one of them had an old faded plaque on it stating the engines had been saved out of the PT boat that took Gen. D. MacArthur off the Philippines when he had to leave. I'm fairly certain the engines are still there. They have been sitting out in the weather for years, but most the parts were there.
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Any way of getting info on who ownes those two engines you found ?
We, The Hall-Scott Engine Museum are still looking for one to put in the museum.
Thanks,
Spike
323-600-5630
The Hall-Scott Engiine Co.
www.hallscottengines.com
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duke
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Just an update for you guys on the Hall-Scott web site, we will be adding more soon, in the way of info, photo pages, history and for sale pages.
Thanks,
Spike
323-600-5630
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re: the "MacArthur" motors, its amazing the stories people make up.

Whomever wrote that sign on the Hall-Scotts knew about as much about PT boats as my dog. Bulkeley's famous PT-41 that lifted MacArthur and family from the Philippines, was an early 77' Elco boat powered by three Packard 1250 HP 4M2500 engines.

Even though these earlier boats were lighter than the later JFK '109' 80 footers, they still weighed about 40 tons. Defender's never had the grunt to move one of these boats at any speed.....well maybe some fast trolling.
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duke
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I don't understand so your saying the Defenders never matched up to the Packards ?
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"Even though these earlier boats were lighter than the later JFK '109' 80 footers, they still weighed about 40 tons. Defender's never had the grunt to move one of these boats at any speed.....well maybe some fast trolling."
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Being the owner of The Hall-Scott Engine Co. I think your wrong about the Defenders, since they powered bigger boats from not only your country but the English, Australian and who knows who else's Navy.I don't care who wrote what on some plaque that some guy had to make touists happy.
Hall-Scott was a better boat, fire truck, commercial truck, stationary engine than Packard ever hoped to be.
Check that with your Dog.
Thanks,
Spike.
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Duke,
You seem to have an attitude problem. If you go to the home page of this WEB site you will find a link to the "Mystic Maritime Museum". They are not some "good old boys club". They are not some private "for profit" repair shop that wants to start their own private collection and call it a museum. They are a premier nonprofit organization that operates for the education and preservation relative to the maritime history.
I think Defenders point relative to the Hall-Scott vs. the Packard’s is one of horsepower, 1250 vs. 630.
Keith,
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Thanks Keith their should more on the Restoration of the Hall Scott Defender we plan to run this summer on U-Tube Most of the work is cosmetic and bolt on parts carb's generator starter ignition systems Scott

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