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tse5a
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Good Evening Gentlemen, we are restoring a WW1 1916 FWD Model B truck and hoping to have it ready for the Centenary of WW1 (2014). We are currently on the hunt for an engine. The original engine for these trucks was a Wisconsin T-Head. After WW1, these trucks in England had Dorman 4JO engines installed as replacements. Any leads on either engine would be greatly appreciated to get this great old truck running again. Thank you, Tim Gillies
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Greetings,

Good luck on hunting this down. The Wisconsin model A was used by a lot of trucks, cars and tractors. The same model was converted for marine use and called the model AM. This motor is 389 cubic inches for about 54 HP.

The most activity on these engine would be found in the Stutz car and truck groups.

I only know of a half dozen of the marine engines around, 2 being mine and one in a boat on Lake Tahoe. But that is a larger model JRM 4 cylinder of 449 inches.

Good luck,

Lew
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Tim: Just noticed post; sent regular email--post here if doesn't come thru. Bud
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Idobbins: Can I pick your brain re' FWDs??
A Burd ring catalog shows the FWD "B" for 1912-15 with a 4 ring piston, and for 1916-17 with a three ring piston (that catalog is set up by ring size, under each size listing various cars, trucks, engines etc using that ring size, so it doesn't directly ID the engines in the trucks etc).
Unfortunately that catalog only shows the Wisc A and AU for 1911, with a 3 ring piston.
The AI is listed for 1912 with 3 rings, and for 1914-15 with four rings.
A 1930 McCord lists the Wisc A, AI, AM and AU together, all as 4 3/4 x 5, all apparently using the only three gaskets then listed.
Does your FWD info reveal a "B" engine change in 1916, or a piston change?? Any comments appreciated!! Many thxx!! Bud
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Greetings Bud,

Been away and just noticed your post. I will look and see if i have anything with these listings. I appreciate the truck and auto applications for the model A engine (389 cid) as used by the Yuba Ball tractor, Stutz Bearcat cars and trucks and the FWD trucks.

I have a pair of model AM engines (M being the marine application with water cooled exhaust manifold and an integral reverse gear), one is early (my guess is 1911) with 4 rings and a short water jacket, the other is a little older, I guess 1915 or 16. It has 3 rings and a lengthened water jacket on each cylinder casting. My pistons appear to be stock or at least have no reason to think they have been replaced.

I will let you know what I can find but I would really recommend talking to the Stutz guys.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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RICHARD: Neat ads; many thxx for posting!!
LEW: Many thxx for reply. My old catalogs are mostly truck/ag and some ind'l, very little coverage on cars or in teens, and while I found a few listings for "A" variants (all long gone orphans) only the FWD for the "A" proper.
Did turn up a couple tractor possibilities:
Lenox 20-30 FWD 1916-18 with a Wisc T-hd 43/4x51/2
Nelson 20-28 1920 with Wisc 43/4x51/2...The "A"s are the only early 43/4 bores on my Wisc list, itself admittedly far from complete.
The "A" variants I found were the AG, AI, AM and AU (I'm assuming on the AG, as I have 43/4 bore but no stroke). Just to complicate matters, there's also an AS, but it's 5" bore!! A Winther listing showed an AV, but it could be a misprint as I have no AV on my Wisc list.
Didn't turn up the Yuba, but probably before my listings; parts catalogs are also notoriously incomplete.
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Nice job Richard!
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Nice to know there are a few other wisconsins out there!

I have been looking all over but so far this is the only data I have found for my Wisconsin PT. I was told that these were used for Marine applications as well but so far I have not found any proof of that.



Here is a photo of the new tag I photo etched. I can also do the earlier version if anyone is interested.


Currently working on finishing the patterns and core boxes for all the missing bronze pieces - these are for the intake manifold.





Best regards,

Terry
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Beautiful work on the patterns, will they be bronze? Keep us posted.
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Thanks Bud for getting the information flowing. Its encouraging to see how many applications the Wisconsin T Head was used in. On another Forum, a gentleman is rebuilding the 6 cylinder version. Thanks guys for the information to date.
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Thanks!

Yes all the castings are bronze - the castings for the intake manifold are already done and are waiting to machined. Like the original these will be connected with brass tubing. I just finshed the patterns for the top water manifold.


Here is a link to my on-going thread over on the practical machinst site:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/big-big-wisconsin -t-head-engine-188057/

Just a few more castings and I will have nearly everything on hand to assemble the big beast - I still need a big Leece-Neville starter, Generator and Stromberg M4 carb
tse5a,
There was a gentleman I was in contact with last year who had parts for FWD's - I will see if I can find his contact info. I beleive his first name was Layden??
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Hi Terry,

Great looking patterns and the ID tag is beautiful!

The P series and J series engines were also available as marine versions just as the model A. The JRM is a 4 cylinder of 449 cid and I will need to look up the PM series of the mid to late teens.

A few years ago, Layden Butler in the San Francisco Bay Area was trying to sell a Wisconsin model A engine on EBAY for $2,200. Only thing is, it had no crank, flywheel etc. It appeared to be either a parts motor or a demo / display unit. The guts were totally unknown and he never responded with enough information. I still see listings from him in various places, so I know he is around. You can see the info on the engine he was offering in another Wisconsin thread here in OME.

I have 2 different AM engines and have pictures of a restored running JRM if you need additional information.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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Hi There,
Thank you for the suggestion. I called Layden Butler and is a very knowledgable man. He had sold off his extra Wisconsin engines and is down to 1. The hunt contiues and is part of the enjoyment.

Tim Gillies
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Hello Tim,

Yes, thats the guy - a friend of mine bought a water pump from him last year. Good luck with your search.

Lew,

I remember seeing that engine he was offering. I would love to see the photos of your JRM.

I noticed your "West Coast Sterling" tag...Last year I was on the hunt for the remains of a Sterling Model "F" - specificly a crankcase and some other pieces - unfortunatly I had the wrong site! Anyways - we did find a crankshaft at a totally diffrent location so that will make recovering the crankcase all the more sweet!

I know of only one "F" in existence.... are there others?



Best regards,

Terry
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Here is the Wisconsin AM "Shell" that was on EBAY a couple of years ago. Note the missing flywheel and crankshaft.

LewWisconsin Model AM
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Here is a picture of a Wisconsin model JRM. 449 cid in a race boat called Redwing. This boat is in the Tahoe Maritime Museum on the West shore of Tahoe. This engine runs and does get to stretch her legs every once in a while.

This engine had been kicking around Sierra boat Company when I was there building engines in the 70s.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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Lets try again but with the picture this time!
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And another view. The Zenith carb had been put on to make her a runner.
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Hi Terry,

I have only seen a listing for a Sterling model F in the ACBS roster. I would love to see one in person too. I have a model R1-135 from @1911. This is designated as a racing engine of 135 HP. It is based on the Model B castings. It is around 1200 inches of a big 6.

I also have an early 4 stroke from 1906-7, 4 cyl, 151 cid, model 14-18 (14 to 18 HP).

Cheers,

Lew

Here is the R1-135

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Another view

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And a side view
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Very nice Lew! Thank you!

Here are photo's of a Sterling 'F' that is in a Lombard tractor. Lombard also used Van-Blerks as well as Wisconsins. Unfortunatly I did not get to hear it run!






Here is what my big Wisconsin will sound like when its done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEcNpp7mj6U
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LEW/RICHARD: Lew, forget the picky question re' the FWD pistons...Lew or Richard, can you enlighten me on this question:
While entering Lew's JRM on my Wisc engine list (had several Js but no JR/JRM) I noticed (again) that Wisc seemed to have an unusual number of contradictory listings in my old engine parts catalogs, such as the "K":
1917 ring catalog--6cyl--51/4 bore;
1930 wrist pin...4cyl...51/4;
30 valve....4cyl;
30 McCord gasket...4cyl...4x6;
44 Sealed Power...4cyl...6";
36 King Prod...4cyl....6";
39 Hastings..6cyl...6";
38 Victor...4cyl...6x7.
It's not unusual in parts catalogs to have occasional misprints, or to omit engine options or have omssions where engines changed during production, but Wisc listings are off the scale, so to speak..
As far as you can recall, did Wisc sometimes issue the same designation engine in different cyls and/or bores???
Dying of curiosity! Many thxx!! Bud
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LEW/RICHARD: Sheesh!--senior moment/morning...forgot to ask about second Wisc oddity on the "K"...
38 Victor gasket catalog (bought before prices went up) lists:
"Wisconsin (Motor)---Model K...4 Cyl...6x7. KS. K2."
(It's not unusual to lump engine variations together that use same gaskets, so, so far, so good).
"Cyl head K-KS...1 gasket #599
Cyl head K2...1 gasket #1550" (This's not unusual, either, for variations to have different head gaskets and mostly share others).
Then comes a third line
"Cyl head Northwest...TWO gaskets #1330"; the 1330 illus is a two cyl gasket, whereas 599 and 1550 are 4 cyl gaskets. All three gaskets have OE numbers shown.
This seems to mean one or more of these Ks was issued with cyl in pairs, or at leat two cyl heads, while others have one piece heads. The designation "Northwest" doesn't appear in the series heading as if it was a normal variation.
That catalog lists 17 other water cooled Wisc engine series; none have anything like these K listings. Ring any bells???
With sympathy, Bud
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Bud,
Here is another one to wrap your head around.
Its a Wisconsin "L" (5-1/10"X5-1/2")This one came out of an Arizona gold mine.

A Friend of mine is currently stuffing it into a 1915? Mitchell car chassis.



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Terry: Stuffing is right...Std Cat says Mitchell mid-late teens 4s had 100-120 wb, altho "Big Six" went to 144".Better remind him to put in stronger springs, and unless that has four wheel brakes maybe an anchor!!
The "L" was one of the Wisc's with the odd 5.1 (51/10) bore, and it shows as early as 1914 in my oldest catalog.
Just to keep things confusing, Wisc later (late 20s/early 30s??) brought out the L1 thru L4, smaller engines from 37/8 to 41/4 bore, all 5" stroke.Many thxx for pix!!
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Greetings all,

Here is the ID tag from my mid teens AM. The earlier one does not have a tag and appears that it never did. The model and SN are stamped into the crankcase aluminum. The other major difference is that the water jackets are about an inch and a half shorter on the older unit, SN #21.

Cheers,

Lew "The West Coast Sterling Guy"
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Lew

I appreciate the post !

I have a file with every engine tag I can find, really helpful tool for identifying and year of mfgr.


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Hello Lew,

Thanks! My PT has the tag but also has the S/N (1145) stamped into the top of the crankcase between the No. 4 & No. 5 cylinders.

This photo was taken before I cleaned it up. The crankcase is a 500 lb. Manganese bronze casting.



Richard, My PT would be 1926. I have another tag which is similar to the one I posted earlier which came from the later OHV Model D3 six cylinder. (5-1/2x6-1/2)Its a very similar tag but Wisconsin is refered to as a corporation rather than "Motor Manufacturer" in addition the "Consistent" text is gone from the banner and the data blanks are diffrent.



Best regards,

Terry

P.S. If you need a new tag let me know.
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Thanks for tag photo,your comments on the tag differences are exactly what I collect them for,
with several different tags and other known info
dates can be established ! You knew that already ! Great Engines.


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Richard,

It's great to know you have an interest in these old tags and data plates.

I have filed it way for future reference!

Iam always on the lookout for interesting tags, motometers etc. I can try my hand at replicated.

Best regards,

Terry
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Hi Richard,

I will try to take some pics this weekend of a few more ID tags and stampings for you. I would like to send the hi-res shots. Where can I email them to for you?



I will also post the other Wisconsin ones here.

Cheers,

Lew
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Thanks Lew

left click on my name in left column of this post, email address should be there.


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Lew, Richard,

Here is a link to a couple of videos I shot which will give you an idea of what one of these big Wisconsin's sounds like up close and personal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEcNpp7mj6U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aI0D7cYYd4

Best regards,

Terry
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GREAT OLD MACHINES!

Engines are outstanding !



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Your Lombard tractor is amazing. What were their intended use? It looks too long to be a farm tractor. Very cool. You have some other gems in the back of the yard too. Tim
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tse5a,

I sure wish it was mine but its not! However, this is the tractor the engine I have came out of. Don swapped it out for another Wisconsin PT that was in running condition and I was able to convince him to part with the non-running. Wisconsin.

Here it is in as found condition - as you can see it was pretty much nothing more than a stripped block. All the brass and bronze had been scavanged many years ago.It last ran in 1933. Note the bent valves - I had to make a complete new set along with new valve guides.

The intake manifold and all the bronze water fittings had disapeared as well. I have spent the last year or so fabricating pattern and core boxes for the new castings. Currently I just 4 more to go and I will have all the castings on hand.







These tractors were used to haul timber here in the northeast. Usually they were equiped with ski's - you can see a set on the back deck in the second video.



Here is some old black and white film of these beasts in operation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgyt0uqi7KA

Best regards,

Terry
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Absolutely Beautiful! And the sound, wow!

Your patterns and finished product look great. What are the bolt dimensions / spacing for the top of cylinder water bronze / brass castings? What size tubing fits into the castings? Or is it pipe?

Cheers,

Lew
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Lew,

I sent you a E-mail with drawings attached. If you need a set of these and they will work let me know.

Richard,
Thank you so much! I love these ads. It would be awsome to have that cruiser with a Wisconsin AM burbling away!

Best regards,

Terry
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ldobbins
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Hi Terry,

I got the information from you. Thanks! Just been too buried here in the day job to even think about the engines or get the photos taken.

I will get back with you soon.

Cheers,

Lew
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tharper
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Lew,
I just finished the new upper water manifold on the Wisconsin PT. (nothing like a whole lot of bronze and brass!)If any of these casting will work for you just let me know.

Best regards,

Terry





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tse5a
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Good Evening,
Those castings are beautiful. Very nice work went into them.
I have seen Wisconsin T-Heads painted all sorts of colours. The FWD Model B truck in the FWD museum in Clinton WI, Wisconsin T Head is painted all black. The have another Wisconsin T Head in a prototype Model B truck painted grey. I have seen them painted green. From the advertising posted above, it looks like the cylinders were painted Black and the block left natural aluminum. Can anyone give some clarity as to have the Wisconsin T heads were painted out of the factory? Thanks folks, Tim Gillies
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tharper
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Thanks Tim,

The 1920's brochure for Wisconsin PT engine says "Motors are furnished in our standard finish, Battleship Grey enameled cylinders with all bronze and brass fittings highly polished making them extremly neat in appearence"

With that said the engine in the brochure and my engine and every surviving Wisconsin PT I know of (9 total) were painted black. The one exception is one that came out of a pumping station and was painted silver (including all the bronze & brass!)

Now the Type "L" T-head Wisconsin my friend is stuffing into a early Mitchell chassis was grey.

So... I have decided to go with Battleship grey. This is based on the brochure and a photo of a Wisconsin installed in a Lombard which is not black. And because I like grey better than black.

I think with Wisconsins being a fairly popular engine used by many diffrent truck and car manufactures I would imagine many chose diffrent colors to help overcome the stigma of being an "Assembled" car or truck as opposed to manufactures using in-house components. Its interesting to read many of the ads from the 1920's from such manufacturers as Dort, Moon etc. where they go to great lengths to explain that an "assembled" car is just as good if not better than one with an engine and other components of thier own design and manufacture.
Though you have to wonder how convincing a coat of paint was in this regard!

I hope that helps!

Best regards,

Terry



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Hi Terry et al,

That looks beautiful!!!! Nice job. Looks like your project is coming along nicely.

As to paint, I to have seen too many different colors on these engines. My early AM is black and my later AM is red. The JRM posted above by me is surely wrong being almost Packard Green. The Yuba Ball Tractor I have seen locally was a dark green, almost British Racing Green. Of course that color looks great with polished aluminum and brass!

Cheers,

Lew
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robertboyce
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Hi, I have a 1906 world war one Pagefield lorry which was fitted with a 4JO Dorman engine. The engine was stripped in the early 1930s and a massive flood washed away one of the cylinder blocks. I need to source and engine or a block. We have already made pistons and repaired other parts of the engine, any info or donar parts for this engine would be most appreciated.]
I also think Dorman made a 2 cylinder engine so if anyone knows where i could get my hands on one of these that would also be great.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks Robert

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