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redneckgunman
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Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings. I am looking to get an estimated value for a marine engine I have. It is a WWII era Packard 4m-2500 v-12 that came from a PT Boat. It is roughly 2500 cubic inches of displacement. This engine produced between 1200 to 1500 BHP. The engine has a data plate on it from overhaul in 1959. Since then, it has less then 1 hour of operating time on it, and has been pickled. It has been sitting in my grandfather's barn since the 60's. I do not know how he got ahold of it, or where he got it. I hav done a lot of research on this engine, trying to find a value, with minimal sucess. I was led to this website, and hope to get some information. if anyone knows of a place where I can find the value, or if they happen to know the value, please let me know. I know an accuarate value is hard to determine, sight unseen, however, I am just looking for a ballpark figure, or range. Thank you all.
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donwhite
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Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Although this website is for models, it has several great pictures of the real thing.
http://www.pt-boat.com/packard/packard.html
See also
http://www.acbs-bslol.com/Miscellaneous/PTPower.htm
One more model website but good commentary on the utilization of the Packard V12 2500 engines.
I have no idea of the value of such an engine. It strikes me since the unlimited class has gone to jets, it may not have much of a market.
Good Luck!
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bruce
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Post Number: 206
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try calling the Antique Boat museum 315-686-4104 at Clayton NY. Ask if they would post a faxed poster by you to them at the upcoming 100th anniversary of the Gold Cup Regatta seeking offers. Try the discussion page on the vintagehydroplanes.com web site. Dave Thomas can give you info on the Higgins connection to a new WW2/PT museum in LA. higginsclassicboats.com John Freeman plays with vintage unlimiteds and would be a great source of current valuation/possible sale. retrorace@gisco.net
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mart
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Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

About the vintage hydroplanes. The Packard V12's that the unlimited class racers used were *not* the Packard PT boat engines. The race boats used the Packard built, Roll Royce Merlin V1650 aircraft engine, which is a completely different engine and has nothing in common with the Packard PT boat engine, except that they both had 12 cylinders.

About the value. It's probably worth something to a museum or some group restoring a WWII vintage PT boat, but it has little actual use value. Parts for this engine are rare and almost imposible to come by. In addition the 115/145 octane military grade aviation fuel that this engine requires (and in huge quantities!)is not produced anymore and is impossible to get. The engine is a rare and historical piece and should definately be preserved, but it's not something that could be used in any sort of modern day work or pleasure craft.
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richardday
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Redneck, Is this the engine that was at the Tuckahoe engine show this last July? Very impressive hunk of iron. Ran like a clock but not much to see in the way of cams, push rods con rods and all the the moving parts of the old timers. It also had an impressive voice and we enjoyed seeing it run. I can only imagine what the engine room noise of a PT boat with three of those monsters flat out must have been like.
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steve krauklis
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i would be intrested in buying that engine off you if its for sale send me an email at krauklis@mail.com
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GMilan
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Posted on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a aluminum cast cover (valve?) about 49 1/2 inches long 8 inches wide and about 6 inches high Ih has 12 bolt holes on each side 3 more across the width (front) and two more on each side in the rear where it widens out for the last 5 inches (of the 49 in length) It widens to 11 inches. It has the word "Packard" cast into the cover twice Once facing each direction. The top of the cover has a breather opening about 3 inches from the front the cover is also marked PL 752 and the breather cover marked A-71304 and separately 523 Any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks GM
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Frank Fletcher
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a 4 hp Easthope engine in a 20 ft wooden boat and I've fixed the boat up reasonable well. The engines carburator was changed just before I bought it and it doesn't seam to do the job.I'm wondering if anybody has one they be willing to sell or if they could put me on to persons with more information. I very much appreciate any and all help. Frank Fletcher e-mail frank@realtyfrank.com
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Jack Maddocks
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Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm looking for a gentleman in western New York State who has a Packard PT Boat engine mounted on wheels. He takes it to boat shows where he fires it up to the delight of power boats.
I saw him last in Gravenhurst Ontario.
I lost his card but I would like to contract him
in regard to restoring an engine we have.
If anyone knows this person I would be grateful
to learn his name and contact info.
He may be in the North Tonawanda area.
Can you help? Thanks, Jack}}
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miro
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Post Number: 541
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I recall seeing that engine - and recall hearing it fie up.
You might try sending a query to the ACBS Toronto Chapter.
I will be doing booth duty at the upcoming Boat Show here in Toronto for the ACBS and I will ask around.
Anyone who was there - will surely recall the engine.
Miro
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drrot
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Posted on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most likely Warren Greatbatch from Island Street Boatyard in N Tonawanda, NY
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miro
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Posted on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I called the boatyard and Warren is the guy with the engine. The phone number of the boatyard is 716-694-747.

miro
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scott_n
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Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2011 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mystic Seaport just acquired two Packard PT boats engine one we would lite to get running the other I can tread for parts we need a manual a carburetor and raw water pump.






As you can sea the parts engine had a bad day any help would be greatly appreciated
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scott_n
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Mystic Seaport just acquired two Packard PT boats engine one we would lite to get running the other I can tread for parts we need a manual a carburetor and raw water pump.






As you can sea the parts engine had a bad day any help would be greatly appreciated
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RON OJEDA
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Posted on Friday, October 07, 2011 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

iI HAVE CARB FOR YOUR PT. ENGINE. ITS A HOLLEY 1685F. IT IS IN VERY GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION. CALL ME AT (845) 358-3679. LEAVE MESSAGE. ASK FOR RON.
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packardclipper
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Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2011 - 02:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've got two intact engines that will be put in a PT or ASR Hull. One was at Firestone testing the world land speed record tires in the 1960s. The other is a factory new unit. Also have ALL the literature. What do you need copies of?
I'm very interested in wreck for spares. I have many spares for possible trade.
email me.
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Paul Hewitt
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guy,s looking for parts for 4m 2500 , rods 2 pair ,with bearing casings......Paul Hewitt, Hewitt Machine 613 342 3783
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jfsackett
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have some parts for the Packard 4M-2500 marine engine that I would like to sell.
Main bearing shells, appx 30 sets in original packaging.
Wrist pins (I think), 18 in original cosmoline.
Water pumps, 6, pretty sure they are new.
Pesco fuel pumps, 4 in original packaging, appx 12 that would be good for cores.
I would be happy to send pic's if anyone is interested.
Jim 239-218-0945
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packardclipper
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jfsackett:
Yes, I am interested in parts for my engines.
I will call you on the 22nd. What time is best??
Steve
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pt658
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Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2012 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi folks, I'm getting involved with restoration of a spare 5m2500 packard for pt658 here in portland OR,the only operational Pt boat in the country, we think anyway. This will be a complete return to service rebuild. We need manuals with service limit data, assembly and torque data and have a modest amount of money for copys. JIMMY at 503-989-9736 or email at sakedude@hotmail.com
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ocgirl
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
I have a new, or reconditioned, Packard PT boat marine engine for sale that belonged to my Father.
Model 4M 2500, complete with exception of the tachometer drive.

If interested, please contact me via this site,
or I can be reached by email at redboy949@cs.com.

Pictures available.

Thanks,
Dinah Warfield
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ocgirl
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Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 07:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also wanted to amend my original post to add the following information,...,
engine is a 'crate' engine,
never been run,
and has been museum kept since 1998.

Thank you for your interest.

Dinah Warfield
redboy949@cs.com
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ocgirl
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Posted on Monday, July 16, 2012 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Updated - July 16, 2012

Engine was checked by marine mechanic this morning,
and it 'turns freely'.

Can upload video later this evening if interested.

Thanks,

Dinah Warfield
redboy949@cs.com
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scott_n
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Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Friday, August 31, 2012 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We got our 4M 2500 running in time for this years Engine Expo A great time was had by all

htt://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW3rFfF565c
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Paul hewitt
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Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi gang, this is a last ditch effort to try to find any information regarding gauge tools,or the dimensions they represent ,of the late model trans for the 4m 2500. Engine done, about to assemble trans to finish. Any hints,people,or info would be very helpful 613 342 3783 Thanks
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Danny Lukashal
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Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Guys. I have recently been standing next to a perfect complete 4m 2500 .The owner would like to see it in a museum setting. He may be willing to donate it? Any takers or interest. Please reply. THXS.
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ldobbins
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Posted on Friday, July 19, 2013 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The PT-658 group in Portland, OR is always looking for spare engines to run their boat. They are a museum / non profit.

What part of the country or world is this engine in?

Cheers,

Lew
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jfsackett
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Posted on Friday, July 19, 2013 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You may also want to contact Randy Smith at the National WW2 Museum in New Orleans. They are in the process of doing an excellent restoration on PT-305.
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Danny Lukashal
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Posted on Saturday, July 20, 2013 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This engine is in Ontario, Canada. I will leave my email for personal contact jslnlukas@rogers.com
THXS.
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easternshore
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Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2014 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone looking for a Packard 4m 2500 in great condition. Make Offer.
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ldobbins
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Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2014 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where is it located?
Any pics?

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