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andrew
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Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The following was sent in by Elaine Donaldson:

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We have a Pierce Budd 24hp 3cyl 2 stroke Marine Engine in our museum. THe information we have with it states that it was one of 3 imported into Australia in 1924 and thought to be the only one in existence in Australia today. Not at all sure if this information is correct.
It was purchased in 1924 by a Mr McFarlane of Wellington South Australia for his sons who used it to power their 17ft racing boar "Silver Streak" and won many races on Lake Alexandrina and the lower Murray River.

Any information on this would be very much appreciated.

Thank you

Elaine Donaldson


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Scott Peters
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Elaine,
Here is a little bit about the early history of the company. I'm still working on it, but I think I've read where they built engines for the 151 class hydroplanes into the 1920s.
Pierce-Budd Company

Pierce-Budd Company emerged out of the old Pierce, Nye & Budd Company, marine engine builders of Bay City, Bay County, Michigan. The firm was incorporated in 1910 with a capital of $5,000. The plant was initially located at 205-209 Saginaw in Bay City.

James H. Pierce was president of the firm, and was formerly the plant superintendent and designer of the Smalley engine for Smalley Motor Company, Ltd. By 1913 Reuben Bastow of Bay City was vice-president, and F. H. Newcomer [location unknown?] was the secretary. Mrs. Anna S. Pierce was the treasurer.

The firm employed eight males and one female in 1914. In the same year the company relocated to either the northeast or southwest corner of N. Walnut and Vermont Avenue in Bay City. Bastow took over Newcomer’s and Mrs. Pierce’s secretary and treasurer duties by 1916, and Budd was listed as the vice-president, replacing Bastow. He had moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania by that time. James Pierce remained as president.

The company specialized in two-cycle racing engines.Sources:

Polk, R. L. & Co. R. L. Polk & Co.’s 1910 Bay City Directory (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1910.) pp. 221, 666.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Polk’s 1913 Bay City Directory (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1913.) pp. 51, 158, 665, 666.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Polk’s 1914-15 Bay City Directory (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1914.) p. 52.

Polk, R. L. & Co. Polk & Co.’s Bay City Directory, 1916-1917 (Detroit, MI: R. L. Polk & Co., 1916.) pp. 34, 105, 624.

Pierce-Budd marine engine catalog, Capital Area District Library, Bates & Edmonds Collection, Box 205A???.

Motor Boat, _____ 1910 or 1911, p. 43.

Homfeld, Max F. 753 Manufacturers of Inboard Marine Engines (St. Michaels, MD: Max F. Homfeld, 1991.) p. 10. Cites catalogs, Motor Boat, December 10, 1911, pp. 326-327.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a 1920 ad in Motor Boat Magazine.
Notice that Pierce Motor Co. is Mfgr and trade name is Pierce-Budd.
Scott do you have any info on William Goldie Jr?


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Scott Peters
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Richard,

No information yet on William Goldie, Jr., but I will try to dig through the Bay City city directories over the next couple of days to see if anything can be found on the guy (and the company!)
Scott
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pierce-Budd at Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum, I've posted this before but its still an eye full.
Glare is caused by plexi-glass display cover.


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richardday
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One small footnote to history. Pierce went on to become an widely respected engine designer for a number of companies. Pierce Budd and Nye also are the earliest known advocates for mixing oil in the gasoline for two stroke lubrication. See page 179 April 1909 Power Boating magazine for a reference to this "daring inovation". I have a Smalley in our collection that I believe was designed by Pierce when he was still located in Boston, Mass. It is interesting in that it has a water heated intake manifold.
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wool__grain_store
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Posted on Monday, November 15, 2004 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thankyou to Andrew, Scott and Richard for the information about the Pierce Motor Co and for the photographs. Your information is much appreciated.

Elaine
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thomas
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This Pierce Budd carcas was at the Hershey Pa, antique car show in the flea market in early October. It was really bad; brass and iron all cracked but the aluminum appeared to be fine. They were just displaying it prior to putting it on Ebay to sell (mainly) the aluminum.
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thomas
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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thomas
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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keith
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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I picked up a Pierce Budd earlier this year. It is similiar to the two shown above, except it is, what I guess you would call a two port/three port, and it has three individual carbs. Didn't know if I could salvage it. It must have been outside with all the plugs removed. The one cylinder had filled the top side with water and froze, poping out the top of the head. I didn't know this for it was under the copper jacket. I have been soaking it in a molassis bath for about 5 months. The biggest challenge was to get the cylinders off, with the pistons tight in the bore. The connecting rods have a pined stud in the cap, with double nuts on top along with a cotter pin. Did manage to get the two end cylinders off. The middle cylinder is the one that is broken. The piston is near top dead center and there is no way to get to the nuts. I guess I will have to drill the studs out from the bottom. I was pleasantly supprised to get it this far apart. The next big chalenge will be getting the pistons out. The pistons are very thin on the skirt and have a window. But at this point I am optimistic that I can restore this engine. Of course I will need new copper jackets spun. Finding 1 cylinder assembly would also help.
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keith
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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a picture showing the two/three port setup. The manifold feeds the cylinder, with the bottom of the manifold going thru a check valve to the base.
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was a Palmer YT at Calvert with a fabricated cylinder, it was well done and hard to spot. The copper jackets should make this one doable, you don't have to worry about the water jacket and the copper hides a lot of the cosmetics.
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richardday
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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That was Bill Roe's YT-1 and a first class job.
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ernie
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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2004 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a pic of Bill Roe's YT 1's. I think the one in the rear has the fabricated cylinder. Even sitting next to eachother it is hard to tell which one is the "OE" part.
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champ
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So after doing some searching about the Pierce Budd engine, I found this site. I just took on a project to restore a Pierce Budd 3 cylinder. I know I can make it pretty, but I'm also hoping to make it run. So any pointers or information, documentation that can be provided, please let me know. loydchampion@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance.... LC
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champ
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 01:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a view of the other side....

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