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TODD SCHEFF
Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2001 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

model a ford marine conversion.

I HAVE A EARLY 29 FORD MARINE ENGINE. I WOULD LIKE SOME INFO ABOUT,WHAT KIND OF CRAFT USED THEM,WHO BUILT IT,IS IT WORTH ANYTHING?
THANKS,TODD ctscheff@valstar.net
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andrew
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Todd,

There is no way to tell from the information you have provided. There were a lot of Ford engines that were converted to marine use.

Some were done by companies and some were done by individuals. You could buy a kit consisiting of manifold, water pump, etc and do your own conversion of a Ford engine, or you could buy a complete engine from a company that would install all the necessary marine components.

Do you see any names or letters on the manifold castings? Barr Marine, OSCO, Lehman, Palmer, etc. ???

Regards,
Andrew Menkart
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Todd
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I WILL LOOK FOR A NAME AS I PLAN TO TAKE THE ENGINE APART TO INSPECT IT'S CONDITION.
IS THERE A DEMAND FOR AN ENGINE ,IF IT IS A REPUTABLE CONVERSION,OR SHOULD I CONVERT IT BACK TO AN AUTO ENGINE? WHAT SIZE CRAFT USED A FORTY H/P ENGINE LIKE MINE?
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FOR SALE SO I DON'T HAVE A BALL PARK IDEA OF IT'S VALUE. I DO NEED AN ENGINE FOR MY '30 MODEL A.

THANKS,
ctscheff@valstar.net
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andrew
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Todd,
There is not much demand for an early Model A marine coversion like that.
It could have been used in a boat from about 20' to 30' depending on the displacement.
It doesn't have much value... if you have a use for the engine in a Model A automobile, you should use it for that. If the marine manifolds are good and you don't intend to use them in the automotive configuration... you could sell them. Marine manifolds often went bad from corrosion due to the heat and salt water... someone may need them if they are in good condition.
Regards,
Andrew
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Brendon Young
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm currently marinising a 1984 Australian Ford Falcon 6 cylinder petrol engine.About 120 bhp straight 6,with a x flo aluminium head.
The original water pump mounted on the block has a main inlet (from the radiator) which is governed by a thermostat to open the circuit at 90c and a smaller inlet about half inch i.d which was taking water from the heater core circuit.
Iv'e utilised this smaller intake & incorperated it to provide a constant flow of circulated heated water through the marine manifold so as to have complete fresh water cooled circuit.
I noticed at idle the exaust manifold gets fairly hot using this system.
Q:How hot should the exaust manifold be allowed to reach(aprox),and do yu think circulated,preheated engine water is enough to keep the manifold cool??
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Brendon Young
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My jabsco raw water pump is designed for a 350 chev with quite a high flow rate.Having a smaller engine(ford 6 cyl)I was advised to "tee valve" the exess over board in a seperate run than the exaust injection run.
This annoys me a little as its extra piping etc.
Q:If I decide to direct all the intake pump raw water through only the single run i.e various oil coolers,heatexchanger to exaust injection and finally overboard,etc,should I keep the piping runs roughly equal in diameter from start to finish,and will restricting the flow cause problems?...The reason I ask is because all the existing pipe run sizing and conections(coolers,heat exchanger,and especially the exaust injection bend)are alot smaller than the Jabsco pump inlet and outlet ports.I fear that it may cause too much build up of pressure!?I havent checked head of pressure or exaust back pressure as was hoping to set things up roughly first so as to run some tests.Any rule of thumb idea's would be greately appreciated as I'm not an engineer and dont have alot of cash.
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Ernie
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Todd,
Put the engine back to stock and use it in your "A". I had a Model "A" conversion kit, nice clean manifold and all brackets. I almost gave it away. Not real popular item.
Hope this helps
Ernie
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brendon
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cant anybody shed any light on my previous querries,any advice would be greatly appreciated.
thanks Brendon
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2002 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brendon,

Your question is about a 1984 Ford Falcon engine. This site is for pre-1940 marine inboards and engines of that style.

You could try posting your question to the discussion board at MarineEngine.com, and you might get better luck. You can copy and past your text so you don't have to retype it.

Good luck.
Regards,
Andrew Menkart
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John L
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am looking for information on conversion to fuel injection and electronic ignition. I have a 6-cylinder Hall-Scott engine. Any ideas?
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John,
Prestolite mfgs a variety of Electronic Conversion Kits for marine engines... they of course to not have one specifically for a Hall-Scott engine... but maybe there is one that would work.

See the attachment below:
image/jpegPrestolite
prestolite.jpg (44 k)
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Glenn Heim
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2003 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi! I collect Model T & A ford marine engine conversions and literature about them. I'm mostly interested in preserving this history. I would like to hear from others who are interested in these conversions or have an item for sale or trade. Glenn
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avaracins
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Registered: 07-2014
Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2015 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am looking for ford model T marine conversion parts and info. If you have something please let me know. I have a 25 foot 1923 wooden launch that I would like to come up with a period correct motor for.
Thanks
Al varacins
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keith_felder
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2012
Posted on Monday, February 09, 2015 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the Lockwood-ash marine engine, 1923 model 41, used Ford parts.
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scott_n
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Post Number: 240
Registered: 02-2008
Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2015 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mystic Seaport hes two driftnet conversions pictures of one on web site
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joe_h
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Friday, February 13, 2015 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a model T which is not a model T. It's called a "METZ" and was designed and built for an automobile of the same name. Two gents who designed the engine were very impressed by the model T and basically copied it. One big difference was that the casting with the four cylinder bores was separate. There is a METZ museum site and collector 's info on line. I came across this engine with a bunch of other goodies but what caught my interest is that it was fitted with a wet manifold for marine use. I collect Easthope engines and have a lot of the original engine records and in them is an Easthope 16 Special. The records show only a few made and are described as Model T conversions. I have a picture of one but have never seen one and don't know if anyone has. Its a bit of a mystery and I wonder if the Metz was used.This engine came to me from a collection on Vancouver Isl. which is a long way from where it was made. Anybody heard or know of these?
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avaracins
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Registered: 07-2014
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2015 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joe do you think that your METZ wet manifold would fit a T and if it did might you part with it? I am beginning to put together a T conversion for an old boat that I have. I have been looking for other possible motors but so far have not been able to get my hands on any. there is however a lot of model T stuff available and thought I might go that route.
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joe_h
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 02:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

avaracins.....It probably would but I am going to keep it with the Metz as it is an interesting situation that needs to be solved but thanks for your interest.

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