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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 415
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a question for Andrew and other senior members of this forum. I hope I can do this with out getting anyone upset with what I have to say. I have been on this forum now for a few years and really enjoy talking with other collectors about antique inboard marine engines and boats and have learned a lot and I thank Andrew for providing this wonderful website.

I came to this forum because I'm interested in antique inboard marine engines and the boats they powered. Okay so here it goes. Is it just me or does there seem to be more and more unrelated post appearing all the time on the forum? Such as late model inboards, outboards, boats, etc..? If no one else thinks that it is really a problem then I guess I will have to learn to live with it. Just thought other senior members may be thinking the same? Maybe a few more signs posted on the forum about being a pre 1940 inboard marine engine website might help reduce some of these post. Also if existing forum members help answer questions about late model engines, boats, etc this only helps to promote more off topic post. What do you think about deleting a few of the larger off topic post? This would probably help demote the off topic post. Would be interested in knowing what other senior members think? Andrew I hope you do not think I'm trying to tell you how to run your website because that is not my intent. This is just a suggestion to help better the forum. If you would rather just leave everything as is then I can live with that also.
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Bruce Hall
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Username: bruce

Post Number: 274
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just a comment and a thought pertaining to John Davis's post as I concur with Johns gently stated opinion. Again not to interfere but an initial full screen display of an actual pre-40's marine engine with a statement of purpose on the page after initial login might help further clarify the intent of the web site to new visitors. Clicking on the displayed engine would then enable access to features of the site including the discussion page. I too am very grateful for Andrew's proctoring of this web site; I interact with it every day and am truly thankful for all the knowlege and history members share here
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Searcher
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Username: searcher

Post Number: 492
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It does seem the outboard, relatively late model multicylinder engine, and boat inquiries are becoming increasingly frequent on this site. A quick check on Google indicates there is no lack of alternative sources of information on those subjects.
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Jim Anderson
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Username: jimanderson

Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2011
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello,
I am a new member and agree with the thought that this site should be primarily for old marine engines and that quite a few postings are not related to that premise. If you feed the dog every time it barks the dog believes that is normal.
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Roger DiRuscio
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Username: solarrog

Post Number: 491
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is true I have no interest in late model boats or inboard engine, or outboard newer than 1920. I collect both antique inboards, fire pumps, antique bike moters, and antique outboards. But I do understand if other have different interests. No list is perfect. But this one is pretty darn good.
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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 416
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree this is the best forum for antique inboard marine engines and boats and I also understand that others may have different interest. Maybe there should be another section for later model engines and boats?
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Username: richardday

Post Number: 973
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If it aint broke don't fix it.
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Ernie
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Username: ernie

Post Number: 1388
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the few off topic posts either get ignored or pointed in the right direction. Boat stuff is boat stuff and I even occasionally enjoy my nephews gas guzzler (2 Mercruiser 502s) SeaRay. Not that i want to see it on here.
so...
I agree with Dick
If it aint broke don't fix it
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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 418
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Late model marine engine and boat forums.

http://www.marineengine.com/boat-forum/forum.php
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Ernie
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Username: ernie

Post Number: 1390
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2011 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is my point and that site is how we exist for free so if someone lands here with modern stuff just point them there.
AOMCI for outboards etc
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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 420
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2011 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If thought that was working I would have not started this thread in the first place. Go back and do a search and read the late model post. Most users are not sending them away to another website. Most are helping them that is my guess as to why we have more of a increase in the late model postings. If Andrew and/or the majority of the users want to leave the forum as is that is fine with me. Andrew just say the word and you will not see any more post from me on this subject and it will not even hurt my feelings. I do not want to butt heads with anyone. The idea was meant to better the website, but sometimes things might be better left alone.
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Robert
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Username: robert

Post Number: 439
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This site is supported to some extent by advertising and advertising depends on traffic. Traffic depends on people finding this site via Google searches etc. The broader the subject material, the more visitors the site gets.

I agree with John in principle and since there is a companion site for newer engines, that is where that traffic should be, but I'm guessing it is too time consuming to manually move all the "modern" posts over to that site and redirect the posters to the new location.

I suppose one other benefit of a certain amount of "mixing" is that some people are exposed to our kind of old engines who might not otherwise have been made aware of them, and there is enough material here to kindle the interest of anyone who has some interest to be kindled!
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Andrew Menkart
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Username: andrew

Post Number: 1126
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I apologize I didn't notice this post until now. It's peak season for me right now selling engine parts (the modern ones).

My preference would certainly be for this site to be devoted strictly to the early style inboards, one-lungers or the multi cylinder version of them. But I've discovered that this site (or any site) kind of takes on a life of it's own and is hard to dictate exactly where it goes. Maybe some more text about type of engines the site is focused on would help, but I have found that users often won't read what you expect them to read. For instance there is a thread about "what year is my evinrude" and if you read my responses I must have suggested to people dozens of times to try other sites for their outboard questions, but they keep coming back.

I guess my feeling is that "overall" we are generally on target with the majority of the posts and with the limited volume of posting that we have the ones that involve outboards or more modern inboards do not cause enough clutter to be disruptive.

I am always open to suggestions, but "moving" posts to another forum won't really work. Posts can be deleted if they are way off.

I think we have been fortunate to have the devoted group that we have and there has been some terrific research, photos, projects, show reports, etc. Plus it's just fun to see new photos and information surface about these old engines.

I think it's healthy for us to talk about the board and where it's going.

Just an fyi about the advertising. The revenue from the ads is very low and I'm perfectly okay with that. I am not trying to increase traffic to this site to boost advertising income.

I'm glad you brought up the topic John and I certainly take no offense by it. This site really belongs to you guys.

Thanks.
Andrew
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Gonzo Couto-Lain
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Username: gonzo

Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why is 1940 the cutoff date? I am not arguing, but as a new member, just curious. I have noticed that some posters ask questions totaly unrelated to the thread. In other forums it is possible to flag that to the moderator to have them deleted.
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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 423
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Friday, August 05, 2011 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My guess as to why there is a cutoff date of 1940 is because around the 1940 time period is when the large flywheel type engines where being phased out and the smaller 4 cycle brigg's type engines were taking over along with outboard engines also. The Forum was probably meant to be for the older style large flywheel type marine engines and the boats these engines where used in.
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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 424
Registered: 03-2006


Posted on Friday, August 05, 2011 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Went back and reviewed more of the off topic post including the how to find evinrude year for motor post. Have come to the conclusion that this thread is probably a dead end street. Better to leave the forum as is. Thank you for your time.
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sai darwish
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Username: sam_darwish

Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2014
Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2014 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hello
I am sam from Egypt,, I found an engine of ducati motor it is out board engine about 3 or 5 hp,made 1945 0r before , I want to sell it
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Steve Roskowski
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Username: modhydro

Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess another perspective to think about is cultivating new interest. Say a guy that found some "late model" engine finds this site during research. They will probably poke around some and learn just how interesting the older ones are. We may have just created a new member that will then look for and save the engines that the site is truly centered around.

With fewer and fewer people staying involved with mechanical things, we may be doing a disservice to the hobby if we were to simply turn them away. If we can pick up just one more person with this "cross pollination" think it would be worth it.

Simply read the posts that interest you and skip the others. You never know who may become the next best ambassador for old marine engines.......

Steve
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Ernie
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Username: ernie

Post Number: 1896
Registered: 01-2002


Posted on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To put my 2 cents worth in again

This is a subject we need to be careful of.

First and foremost I don't think the board has a problem with new stuff sneaking in.

I also agree with Steve above. Help the newbies when we can as you never know what they may have or will find if they go looking for an older engine.

Also (old) is relative. I learned to drive in a 1928 Model A Ford in the late 50's. I thought of it as an antique then. It was only 30 years old at that time.

Also as time marches on things turn to junk, then collectable/classic and finally antique. We have to be careful in the junk vintage as a lot of things have become extinct in that time frame.

The Alco DL 109 locomotive is one of them.

click here

They were all scrapped during the junk period. The rail preservation bunch would love to have even parts of one much less a complete one.

Another example is the Alco PA locomotive. In the junk period they were all scrapped or shipped out of the US. 2 hulks were brought back from Mexico several years ago and 1 is almost operable again. The other as of now will be a cosmetic only restoration. The one that will eventually operate is nowhere close to original. However this being said for someone that isn't a rivet counter it will be positively amazing. I bet the rivet counters will like it too.

As some of you are aware I am quite active in the railroad theme of things. Both HO scale and 12 in to the foot scale. As far as I am concerned the Alco PA that is being made operational is fantastic. Yes it has the wrong engine and the wrong trucks. But the engine is an Alco and the trucks look correct to just about everyone. The thousands of hours of restoration work that have gone into it never mind all the money will result in a fantastic piece of rail history being saved.

NKP 190 click here

OK why the rant?

I have just acquired two Yanmar marine diesel engines. A 1GM and a 2GM. 6.5 HP and 20HP The 1GM is 30 years old and is just about in the junk period of saving stuff. It runs good and is actually cute. At least in my opinion.
1GM on the left and 2Gm on the right

We all need to be careful and catch stuff in the junk period or those choices may be regretted in the future.

We also need to remember the stuff some of us remember from when it was new and may not think of as old yet, the younger generations may have NO idea it even existed.

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