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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can somebody tell me what this is ? I have the whole kit as in the logotype.

GrayGray II
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Jim Parrott
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is a Gray Model S. Very nice, I haven't seen one with a magneto.
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 05:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for Your answer. It's marked with what looks like "L&F" above the exhaust, do You know what that means? Gray III
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the opposite side. Gray IV
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

On the opposite side. Gray IV
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Jim Parrott
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kjell,

I am not sure about the L&F, but probably just a foundry marking. The 11 in your S/N should be the year.

Mine has a threaded flange bolted to the engine for the exaust. the inlet should have a check valve and carburetor.

Jim
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That old ! I picked everything made of iron from whats left of the wooden boat. Gray VGray VI
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Kjell Åke Persson
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That old ! I picked everything made of iron from whats left of the wooden boat.
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Jim Parrott
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a great find, you even have a reversible propeller. Do you have a picture of the boat it came out of?

Jim
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't have any photos, sorry for that but I was tog excited I suppose to think clearly. But it looked like this smaller one. It's 5 meters but the other was about 8. Gray VII
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Jim Parrott
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice old boat, thanks for posting.

Jim
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Robert
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fantastic find, congratulations. Do you have any photos of the original boat we could see?

The boat you show, was it built as a sailboat or a powerboat? I don't see any sign of a shaft or propeller or stuffing box. It almost looks like someone added to the keel to make her a sailboat?

Is the magneto mount part of the cylinder casting or added later do you think?

Used in fresh water or was there a closed cooling system?

Original paint on the engine? If so, might be a good idea to keep it and just wipe with linseed oil to restore the colour.
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No photos but perhaps is there something left of it. Someone added about two inches to the keel, it should have been about one. This is a norwegian boat about a hundred years old. The other was swedish but built the same way. This is built for rowing -two pairs- and an small engine. Bigger boats often had all three types. Fresh water. Original paint as far as I understand. I must take a closer look at the magneto but it looks very "original".Gray VIIIGray I X
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miro forest
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Posted on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nice to see that you have managed to find one of the most complete gray engines.
It even has the small spring chain to couple the oiler and the crankshaft - still in one piece.
The engine was just in the time period of transition from gas to gas/oil mix.
It appears that you even have the glass sight tube fr the oiler .
But please, if you do restore it and run it - use a 25:1 gas / oil mix
Some of Richard D's Grays of the same era have gib keys instead of a nut holding the flywheel to the crankshaft.

I think your crankshaft probably has couterweights to help make it run smoother.

Is your engine seized or is it free to turn?

miro
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank You for Your kind words and information about my engine !
The Gray is in very good condition, everything works and I belive it would start if I tried. I love the sound of an old one- cylinder ! For the moment I'm trying to date the American Bosch magneto.
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The one that started it all ...one-cylinder in pocket size.

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Robert
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Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cute little motor; what is it? Had a chain-drive starter or is that a power-take-off of some kind?

The lubricator on the Gray is a "Detroit" I believe. I have some literature on them if of interest to others here.
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Kjell Åke Persson
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It,s a swedish Meteor from 1919-24. It has a chaindriven SEM magneto.
Any information about the Gray is worth a lot to me !
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The magneto was not an easy nut to crack. But that is perhaps the fun with this hobby. It never gets boring. Here is a picture of a very common swedish engine from 1948 Albin 02 not exactly an exciting thing. Albin 02
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Robert
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about some Drotts & Bolinders? We see a few of those out here, and the odd Wichmann! ;-)
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Kjell Åke Persson
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Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 06:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like hot bulb music !
Norway have had 152 marine engine makers through the years. ....Sweden a lot too.
Look for Seffle on the net. They are nice.
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Robert
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Sounds like you should write the book! ;-)

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