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richarddurgee
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone have any info on Beginning or early history of the Holley Carburetor Co.
This 1906 ad shows 3 styles of carbs and says 18,000 had been made in last 17 months production.
Quite a customer list ??


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Robert
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not sure how rare they are Richard, but this one sold for $567.00 on eBay a year or two back.
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donwhite
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
Have you been to this website?
http://www.holley.com/
Don White, Jacksonville fL
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richarddurgee
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don Your site got me to this site.

100 years Holley History.
says here that Holley moved to detroit in 1907, the ad above is june 1906 and claims 17 months of production, that would be February 1905??

This old history is sketchy at best !!


http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/NewsInfo/History/History.html
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donwhite
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
I have never done it, but I have seen it mentioned many times that the City of Detroit has an Auto Museum that is loaded with old stuff like magazines, books and newspapers. I am not sure how you can reach them, nor what they offer via the internet. I feel a visit - if you're ever in the neighborhood - would be worth the time.
Good Luck!

A personal anecdote from the 1960s.
I worked for TIC - Travelers Insurance Company - and TIC carried the workers’ comp insurance at Holley Carb’s Bowling Green, KY factory. (Also BG is now home of the Corvettes.) As a pro union socialist (a secret I kept from TIC) I was chagrined to learn that Ford Motor Co, Holley’s largest customer, relied on Holley and lower than UAW wage laborers, for this important part. At Holley, I learned that they, Holley, in turn, relied on other sub-sub contractors, to furnish the metal castings from which they produced finished carbs. Again, at even lower wadges. One such plant was in Elton, KY. TIC also insured it. So, Louisville’s Ford assembly plant paid $14 an hour (then), Holley paid $10 an hour and Elkton Casting paid $6-$7 an hour! The UAW had ‘sold out’ by the early 1960s from pressure exerted by the Big 3! Cut costs! Maximize profits! Today, unions are no more than ‘organized debating societies.’ Or, as I call them, glorified employment agencies. I don’t know if Holleys are still made in BG, I’d guess not, that they are now made in China. Like everything else in this world! It looks as if Mao and the Gang of Four won, after all. END.
Don White, Jacksonville FL
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Ernie
Posted on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a carb like the one on the top left.
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Richard Day
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Max Homfeld told me the most significant repository of early automotive material is a library the Detroit automakers maintain and unfortunately its not open to the public. Max spent his life designing carburetors for GM and therefore he had the credentials to get access. Too bad it isn't open to us amature but serious reseachers with no axes to grind or desire to put anyone out of business. Just the facts please.
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doncustis
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I HAVE A 2CYL LOCKWOOD ASH WITH A HOLLEY CARB THAT LOOKS OLDER THAN THE ONES IN THE PHOTO, CANNOT SEEM TO GET THE PHOTO TO DOWNLOAD, THE CARB HAS A 1 1/2 INCH VENT IN THE TOP
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don

You may email the photos to me and I'll post them here ! would like to see what it is !

oceanblu@adelphia.net

Hurricane Wilma is bearing down on us here so may be out of power and off line late tonight and next few days!
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jb_castagnos
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Good luck Richard, I hope damage, if any, is minimal. It's been a rough year for the US.
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keith
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
Holly started in Erie, Pa. I think they started by making Horseless carriage engines.
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doncustis
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Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

need info on this carb and lockwood ash motor d custisneed info on this carb and lockwood ash motor d custis

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DON CUSTIS
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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 05:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ANDREW MERKART PLEASE CALL D CUSTIS 530 672 0107 RICHARD DURGEE PLEASE CALL ALSO

Note from Andrew:
Don, if you need to reach me you should email me. My email link is with my posts and at the bottom of every page of the site
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jb_castagnos
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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What L-A do you need info on?
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doncustis
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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

need to have an moderator contact me ref a problem, doncustis@sbcglobal.net thank you. don custis
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doncustis
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REF MY OCT 28, 2005 2:51PM UPLOAD, PLEASE BE WARE THAT MY COMPUTER TRANSFERED SOME OTHER INFO WITH THE PHOTO AND (MAY) HAVE ATTACHED A VIRUS TO THE PHOTO AND THE UPLOAD, PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON EITHER, IF YOU HAVE PLEASE DELETE FORM YOUR COMPUTER AND THE RECYCLE BIN, THEN CHECK YOUR COMPUTER FOR BUGS, CHECK FOR ANYTHING DIFF. IN THE PHOTO STORAGE OR PHOTO UPLOAD FILE. THIS HAPPENED UNDER DON CUSTIS (VISITOR). I HAVE BEEN USING A DIFF. COMPUTER THAT IS CLEAN AND ALL DON CUSTIS (MEMBER) POSTINGS ARE CLEAN. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CONTACT A MODERATOR TO DELETE THE POSTINGS OR AT LEAST LOCK THEM BUT HAVE NOT HAD ANY RESPONCE YET.

Note from Andrew:
Don I have deleted your attachement from 10/28
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doncustis
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MY 2 CYL LOCKWOOD ASH HAS A SER# OF 294 AND THE HP ? (NOT READABLE). THE HOLLEY CARB WAS PAT. ON MAY 12, 08, I NEED INFO OR A PHOTO OF WHAT TYPE OF SPARK BOX WAS USED AND APPROX. WHAT YEAR THIS MOTOR WAS MFG. SORRY, PHOTOS WILL NOT UPLOAD OR EMAIL, WILL SEND PHOTOS IF NEEDED, JUST NEED AN ADDRESS.
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J.B. Castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don, The Lockwood Ash serial # I'm familiar with start with the hp and then the number. I have a 12 hp # 12014, a 6hp # 6036. Both of these were from the early teens. Yours may be an earlier model with the number you have, I think they started about 1906. Send me a picture, I have some L-A info, maybe I can narrow the date down for you.
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RichardDurgee
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Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are photos of DonCustis's Lockwood-ash and holley Carburetor.


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J.B. Castagnos
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Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don, I think this is a very early Lockwood Ash. I've never seen one with the cylinder and base cast together. The bolt on exhaust, the lever timer, and the intake are all of the early design. This motor was probably made before 1910.
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RichardDurgee
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Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

J. B. You got me digging into the books on this one! This 1909 is the oldest L-A ad I could find of this type of engine, this is a type C that has What Lockwood-Ash called their upright timer.The engine above is a type B with the lever timer and the only difference between the two that I can see from copies of copies of a 1908-09 Catalog !

L09

Ltype B


I just came across this 1924 L-A ad and it says they were making engs 21 Yrs, Thats 1903 the earliest reference I have ever seen to L-A's beginings ??

L24
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RichardDurgee
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Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thinking about the serial number on don's old lockwood above it seems that the Lettered type engs ( A-B-C-D) approx 1908- 1911 used a bit different code for their serial numbers ?
I took my oldest Lockwood out, Type A single and it has same infomation on the tag like Don's Type B above.

lAMGo

Could it be the 1017 th type A single cyl eng that L-A mfgrd and Don's the 294 th Type B ?
From what little info I have it seems that around 1912 L-A discontinued the letter designation of their engs, and that is about same year the serial numbers started with the Hp then the sequential number of mfgr ?? Any ideas here appreciated!

Looking at the tag closly on my eng, I posted it yrs back Thinking it said Lockwood-Ash Motorgo!
Looking at the C's in Jackson and Mich do they not look just like G's?
I now believe that it Says Lockwood-Ash Motor Co.
they squeezed the space between Motor and Co.and the C looked like a G. ??? Maybe this is where they came up with tradename of MotorGo for the Sears label ??
While it was on the bench looking at the tag I put a grease plug in spark thread and pumped the 40 yr stuck piston out of it- it had been sitting with penetrating oil in the cyl last 10 yrs !
Piston has 4 ring grooves, but only three rings were on it-- been that way a long time ?

LAPiston

Anyone have a photo of the original exhaust manifold on one of these old singles ??
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J.B. Castagnos
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Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard, my 2 1/2 L-A has 4 rings but one is on the bottom, these are the only L-A's I've seen with 4 rings. Jamie Hury has an early 5hp Motorgo, lever timer, but removable cylinder. Serial # in the 800's. He has a 1910 sears catalog with his engine pictured. Do you have the disc with the drawings? It shows the manifold you need. I made one with a pipe sleeve, installed a pipe plug with a handle welded on. Heated the other end and formed it to a rectangle, welded it to a flange. Looks factory.
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RichardDurgee
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Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

J.B.
Possible to email me that manifold drawing ?

Searching Lockwood-Ash I came across this 1911 ad For the type A engine in two and three cylinders,with gear driven w/pump and belt driven oil pump !

L11
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RichardDurgee
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Posted on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Don Custis

Updated Lockwood Ash photos

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joseph radcliff
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1914 aerosled with aerothrust twin cyl engine propeller driven with 1914 holley carb
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Richard Gould
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The Holley carb attached to the Lockwood Ash motor is a 1908 model. Positively without doubt. They were original equipment on Model S Ford roadsters built only in that year. The 1907s were different entirely, not only in appearance but in engineering. I don't know about 1909 but the 1910 model is the one pictured above that sold on eBay.
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Jim Parrott
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I came across a Holley Brothers five ball carburetor similar to the one Robert posted above. Does anyone have any information on this carburetor and it applications?

Jim



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Jim Parrott
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I found out it is a Holley Model 4500 used on 1910 Ford Model T's. Not sure if it was used on any marine engines as original equipment.

Jim
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William Schaller
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Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2012 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is a 1908 adv.

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Jim Parrott
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Correction to my previous post.

The carburetor Robert posted at the top of this thread looks like Holley Brothers Model 4550. The one I posted Is a Holley Brothers Model 1910. Both were used on early Ford Model T's. Sorry about the misidentification, I was going off a picture in a Model T vendors parts book.

Jim

Model 4550 Holley

Model 1910 Holley.
These came in two versions; one with a zinc (“pot metal”) body and one with a bronze body. They were otherwise quite similar.
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Robert
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A correction five years later - impressive!

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