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roy davies
Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am looking for imfo on my truscott can any body help ?
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andrew
Posted on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What are you trying to find out? Can you post a picture of it.

I have various Truscott catalogs... and I'm sure other people here do too.

Also use the link on the left for keyword search the word "truscott" and I think you will find some other conversations that you can review too.

Regards,
Andrew
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miro
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are some pictures of Roy's engine. I saw it on the weekend - and it's a nice engine for sure - he's done a great job and it is practially 100% original .

miro
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andrew
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow... that is a wonderful engine. Does he know the rated HP or the model number? Is there any information on the tag?
Regards,
Andrew
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Tom Stranko
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know nobody likes a smart-ass but seeing this wonderful engine brings to mindTom Cruise's line
about--"Wow, I'm sexually aroused."
My repro 1905 Truscott catalog shows a close match but the plugs are in the tops of the cylinder heads and the both valves are mechanically operated.
The (poor quality Xerox) 1904 catalog is a lot closer with side spartplugs and the atmospheric intakes plus the same castings for intake and exhaust manifold however I don't see the offset
rotary timer and there is a sort of small "throttle" quadrant in the front that may be associated with the timing adjust. I would place the engine close to 1904 (just my 2 cents)
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Tom Stranko
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not this vintage Truscott but a neat 4 cycle from the 1906-07 catalog listing it as the "4 cycle" tr
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Tom Stranko
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This one also from 1906-07 catalog listed as a
"heavy duty" 4 cycle tr
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roy davies
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi ,this is roy davies answering Andrew.serial no is2386 flywheel dia 20":, I think its 16 hp.I stil think it is 1903
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Richard Day
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beautiful engine. I have a similar timer a friend gave me but he said it came from a Pierce. Can anybody tie Trucott to Pierce or was the timer
an item like the carburetor bought from another maker?
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andrew
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Roy,

While looking in my Truscott file I found pictures of that engine that you sent to me back in April of 1995... pre web site days when pictures got sent by snail mail! In the older pictures the paint looks more black than blue (as it seems above). Is that original paint? If not do you know what the original paint color was? I always thought Truscott engines were black.

I looked in various Truscott literature and catalogs that I have and the 1900, 1901, and 1902 4 cycle models do not look like your engine. The models shown in the 1905 catalog do (although they don't show that particular size), so your 1903 date could well be right. The specs in that 1905 catalog show a 2 cylinder 4 cycle model with a 20-3/8" diameter flywheel, rated at 15 to 20HP, 650 to 900 RPM.

Regards,
Andrew
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andrew
Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While we are on the subject of Truscott I though I would post these 1899 patent drawings for an "Explosive Engine" (not the same as Roy's engine). You can get the full patent with text and larger drawings from the patent office web site... I can't recall the address at the moment.

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miro
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 05:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you go to

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm

and enter the patent number 617372, you'll get to the patent. But make sure that you have downloaded the US Patent office plugin that allows you to view images. You can get it from the US PTO site under USA Patent - Services.
All of this paid for by taxpayers ( via the government)
miro
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roy davies
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

about the color, when i started the restoration i found a tiny amount of what looked like royal blue.I mixed the color as close as I could. thanks for the input regards roy.
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roy davies
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

about the timer I realy believe it is not original.it may have had ignitors ,the spark plug blocks appear to have been modifyed roy
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Richard Day
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew can you send Miro's pictures of Roy's Truscott as an example of the kind of photographs that should be on the Seaport Webb Page on engines. I would also send Tom Stranko's picures of the type of old drawings/photograps that are very very useful. These are what I would expect of the Seaport.
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andrew
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dick,
Yes.... I can actually send them a link to this page and others that show multiple views of engines.
Regards,
Andrew
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olarry
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My Truscott had a very dark grey paint on the block and someone had painted a lighter grey on top of that.When I asked about them on here a number of fellows sent pictures of their truscott engines through email,all of them where green.Those sparkplug adapters look rougher than mine,they don't seem to be centered real well.The old ads sent to me say the engines where sold either way. I would like to have a good look at that timer sometime Richard Day.
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Richard Day
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will have to take a photograph of it. It looks like the one on Roy's Truscott.
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Ernie
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew,
Thanks for identifying an engine for me. I had a Truscott like the patent drawings. I thought it was a Monitor. A buddy now has it and will most likely make the missing parts. It is a little engine and the valve and other parts were a mystery to me. Now they are clear.
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andrew
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie,
That's great... make sure you direct him to the actual patent to get the text as well.... much of is is mumbo jumbo.... but some of it might be useful.
Regards,
andrew
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richarddurgee
Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Truscott brothers filed patent 880,604 in 1908 it
was a marine exhaust/muffler.
Dick Days comment that the timer looked like one from a Pierce Motor is interesting as my notes on Truscott revealed that Pierce Motor Co.
was in Racine WI., Truscott was across the lake in
St Joseph, MI. All ads and catalogs indicate they
very separate Companys, yet in a 1913 index of marine engine manufacturers, Pierce is not listed and Truscott's new address is Racine Wisconsin.???
From my limited resources this move was sometime after 1908-09 ???
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olarry
Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Dick you don't have to take a picture for me.I sort of messed up my last post when I got called to dinner.I am Olarry and Larry Wolfe the fellow right up the road in Maryland.The brass gears look just like mine,but I don't have the spring and mine sets verticle through the water pump.The timer part was broken off mine long before I ever saw it.
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Richard Day
Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok, Looks like Pierce and Trucott might somehow be related. Curious that at the 1901 Motor boat show in Buffalo, NY. there were three boat/engine makers there. Truscott, Palmer and Consolidated. According to E. E. Palmer Truscott didn't survive very long. Consolidated and Palmer did.
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Richard Day
Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry if the timer I have will help I will give it to you but first I want to make sure the Pierce I have has its timer. It came in a box all apart. The machine shop that was to fix the piston and con rod lost it. Yeah and pigs can fly!!. The owner gave the rest of the engine to me and I would like to find a piston that will fit. I am sure the head is not original.
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roy davies
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

looking at the third picture of my truscott above you will see two drip oilers. I need to aquire two more just like them to go into the blank holes below them .the name on the top of the oiler is detroit lubricator co.2 inch dia.
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Robert
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beautiful engine. Is it possible that one of the ignitor hole cover plates is in upside down and that accounts for the difference in angles of the sparkplugs? Not to insult anyone!
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roy davies
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the spark plug blanks are just stuck in for the picture , gaskets have yet to be made.I stil need two drip oilers like the ones shown.if I wanted to sell this engine, where is the best place or web?
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olarry
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The cataloge picture that I have shows a smaller oiler in the bottem holes than the top ones.Your picture looks like smaller pipe holes too.
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roy davies
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

3/8 npt in all four places. when I got the engine it had no oilers. I found these two that where made near where the engine was built, and about the same time.do you have two more? ROY
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andrew
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Roy,

Regarding your question about where on the web to list it for sale.... our classifieds is the best place... ... and you could also consider ebay and Harry Matthews farm engine site.

... it would be nice to see it sold to one of this group if you decide to sell it.

Regards, Andrew
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olarry
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't have any extra brass oilers.What I do have are GITS oilers.They are chromed metal cans that you stuff with cloth and fill with oil.The oil then drips out the bottem.The only person that I have seen use them is the guy who converts air cooled brigs engines into hit and miss engines.He does so many that brass oilers would be way too costly.
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roy davies
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what would that look like on this classy old engine?.I like to keep it close to original. thanks for the input ROY.
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r h speas
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Several years ago i found this fully restored truscott. stuffed away under a work bench. for the last 30 yeas it had been shown at engine shows before that it was under water for 52 years for such a rare engine it was ashame to just store under a work bench-- I designed an 18 ft launch and installed the engine to its past grandeur. its a 1902 1cyl if any one would like some pictures just e mail rhslbs@froggernet.com
rhspeas
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Richard Bartrop
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Registered: 06-2006
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,
I was re reading some of the articles on the Old marine Engine site, and read your contribution from 2003. How’s your engine going in your boat, and are you still using it? I have had to post this, as your email address isn't working, and I would like to see your pictures of the installation etc

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