Truscott 2 cylinder

Author Message   miro Senior Member Username: miro Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 09:36 pm:        Here are some pictures of Roy Davies' two cylinder Truscott - about 1905. I had previously posted some pictures, before the final restoration, but these are from the ACBS Boat Show in Gravenhurst. Roy is a terrifically skilled guy, but doesn't yet have a digital camera. He is also very astute - so astute that he talked me into swinging the engine over in an attempt to get it to run for the first time in 50+ years - you can see I am working hard. We got it to sneeze but #2 cylinder seemed to be still asleep - this weekend we'll try again. Miro   andrew Board Administrator Username: andrew Post Number: 787 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 10:08 pm:        Miro, Great job with the photos and the "cranking power" on the engine! I have moved this post to the "Truscott" category. I would like to have people post discussions about a particular make if engine in its' category (if a category exists). I realize this is a change from before... not a problem, and I'm sure it will take awhile to get used to.   Tom Stranko Visitor Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 04:49 pm:          Tom Stranko Visitor Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 04:51 pm:          Tom Stranko Visitor Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 04:52 pm:          Tom Stranko Visitor Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 04:58 pm:        1903 Truscott 5HP "Special" motor   andrew Moderator Username: andrew Post Number: 802 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:30 pm:        Your engine looks great Tom. Looks like you had it running. If you register and post using your name and password, it won't say "visitor" below your name... also see this link.   andrew Moderator Username: andrew Post Number: 803 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:31 pm:        Hey Miro... did you work up a sweat cranking this weekend...? ... did it run?   keith Senior Member Username: keith Post Number: 129 Registered: 02-2002 Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 10:14 pm:        Tom Is the green Truscott yours? What is the serial no.? I have one that looks similiar but was painted black. I think it's a repaint, so I can't say that it's the origional color. I think they also had a brass hat. Mine doen't but I have seen one that did and it looked good.   richarddurgee Senior Member Username: richarddurgee Post Number: 478 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 01:52 am:        Tom Great old engine ! Is there a name on the gas mixer valve ??   thomas New member Username: thomas Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:38 am:        Roy, great looking engine!! (Miro, how's the lower back today?) My engine has no evidence of the brass cap or the aluminum covers. The tag has "1347" stamped on it. I think the green color was a complete figment of my imagination in 1974 when I started working on what I would euphemistically call the "engine" (really a chunk of rust). The mixer has no ID of any kind on it and I always assumed Truscott had it made special.   thomas New member Username: thomas Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:39 am:          keith Senior Member Username: keith Post Number: 130 Registered: 02-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 03:06 pm:        Thomas Could you post some closeups of the mixer.   thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 153 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 03:30 pm:        I'll post some closeups this evening. This is a zoom from that show in 2000 (where the engine was running. Two mods I made: the "throttle" knob in the part of the mixer that screws into the crankcase was something I had to add to get the engine to run slow. The "mushroom valve lift knob" is also a modification I put in to get the thing to run without jumping all over the place. I also had to wire down the centrifugal spark advance and add a cam-able bearing to allow an incremental advance-retard adjust.   thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 154 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 03:31 pm:          thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 155 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 06:57 pm:          thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 07:01 pm:          miro Senior Member Username: miro Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 11:11 pm:        We had quite a time this past weekend - we managed to get both cylinders to fire - but still would not run. A closer inspection of Roy's work revealed that the way he restored the valve lifters results in the exhaust valve staying open too long ( about 40 degrees of crankshaft rotation too long). Roy needs help to understand the valve lifter mechanism - since he got the engine in boxes and pieces he really does'nt know what was there or how it was assembled. I will post some close ups of thelifeter mechaism tomorrow - but in the mantime - does anyone have some ictures of the mechanism? Were there rollers on the lifters? If there were rollers what diamter. The intake is an atmospheric valve so there is not push rod for the intake. And YES - I was VERY careful aout my lower back - I made sure I did some warm ups and stretches. But boy does it sound nice when it fires.   bruce Senior Member Username: bruce Post Number: 203 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 11:12 pm:        Reminds me of a steam radiator valve or steam trap body with add on's.   miro Senior Member Username: miro Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 03:59 pm:        Here are the pictures of the valve lifter mechanism ( I just re-read my earlier post and by God is the spelling and typng atrocious) . You can see the square block that lifts the valve and in the third picture you can see the cam lobe. Until ROy gets this right that engine will only sneeze, not run. Miro   keith Senior Member Username: keith Post Number: 132 Registered: 02-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 04:34 pm:        Miro If you advance the cam timing 20 degrees and give the tappets more clearance, shouldn't that work?   keith Senior Member Username: keith Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:17 pm:        Tom I took some pictures of the mixer on my Truscott. It is similiar, but the intake is at a different location. My serial no. is 1251. I never tried to run mine.   keith Senior Member Username: keith Post Number: 134 Registered: 02-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:19 pm:        I think someone added the choke.   thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 08:26 pm:        I have a 35MM pic of a small Truscott. I'll have to see what that mixer looks like   roy_davies New member Username: roy_davies Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2005 Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 - 07:21 pm:        about roys truscott.have made new roller lifters ,found square blocks from my first attempt where in fact to long in duration.now exhaust opens about 15 degrees before bottom dc.and closes just as piston reaches top.after priming it made several revs(6-8)then quit.crice carb seams to be fussey.put it away for the winter and started polishing my brass colection   miro Senior Member Username: miro Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 06:37 am:        Roy, any chance of seeing that engine at the Show? miro   searcher Senior Member Username: searcher Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 09:40 pm:        I purchased a marine engine brochure on e-Bay (6549752336). The major heading on the cover reads 'Pierce Marine Motors'. The bottom of the cover reads Truscott-Pierce Engine Company, St. Joseph, Michigan, U.S.A. It was my hope that the brochure would shed some light on Truscott engines but it simply begs more questions. I have a tagged Truscott, single cylinder, copper jacketed, two cycle, directly connected by a long crankshaft to a 110 DC dynamo. The engine portion does not resemble the Truscott engines presented in this thread nor the two engines pictured in the brochure. Can anybody enlighten me on the Pierce/Truscott connection or is this an entirely separate company from the Truscott also in St. Joseph that built boats and sold/built engines? I suspect the dynamo end of my Truscott was built by Engberg also of St. Joseph. Was there a corporate connection between Truscott and Engberg? Any guesses on who built copper jacketed engines for Truscott or Engberg or is it more likely that this one is simply a 'one off' retag by Truscott that was ordered for a specific boat?   richarddurgee Senior Member Username: richarddurgee Post Number: 831 Registered: 11-2001 Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 09:39 am:        Searcher Have two pages of notes on these Two Mfgrs, the story is still unclear ? I keep assembling information to try and put this puzzle together ! Is there a date on your brochure ? Posible to scan the engines in brochure and send to me or post here? Possible to post or send photos of your engine ?   thomas Senior Member Username: thomas Post Number: 283 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:13 am:        When I was in St. Joseph , Mich years ago I went to the historical society. They had a lot of information on Truscott. I was allowed to Xerox newspaper clippings they had on Truscott and also the few Truscott catalogues in their possession. There was a Truscott Boat & Dock Co. there that did a lot of Army work in WW2 Truscott Boat Co. (1936) on Wayne St. was moving into the travel trailer manufacturing arena There is a 1930 clipping that gives a history of the Co. "...came here in 1892...was organized in 1887 in Grand Rapids...the original buildings were on the Morrison channel near the Mich. Central RR track.....the Truscott Brothers, all veteran boat builders, have completed their new factory it is 46 X 78 and 3 stories...they are specializing on light wooden outboard boats...." A 1932 clipping mentions the ".....Truscott Boat Co has received an order for 29 40 passenger boats for use during the Chicago worlds fair......powered by model A convertible motors..." A 1949 clip "....defunct Truscott Boat & Dock Co. may sell waterfront leases to a Chicago syndicate.......The Truscott Co...took over the Dachel-Carter Co....located on the old ship chanel...Truscott into bankrupcy almost a year....the machinery and other movable assets were sold at public auction last summer (of 1948) There is a lot more but I'm trying to get ready for an engine show on Sat.   searcher Senior Member Username: searcher Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 09:07 pm:        Richard and Thomas, Thanks for responding. The history of these companies is fascinating for the twists and turns. Maybe when I retire I will have the opportunity to sort one or two of them out. I will post some photos of both the Truscott dynamo and the Truscott-Pierce Brochure as soon as I get time. My busy season runs until about December each year so everything but work is sporadic up until then.   Searcher Senior Member Username: searcher Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:24 pm:        This Truscott is SN 1243, Keith's is SN 1251. Discussion in this thread indicates a date for these two as 1902 or 1903 based on the lack of a support for the outboard end of the ignitor axle, location of the exhaust opening in relation to the water jacket, and two flanges on the crankshaft. Has there been any more recent research that would alter this date estimate? Is there any consensus as to color of the Truscotts, blue, black or both? I don't normally paint my engines but this one had been repainted about 20 years ago. Given that, I would repaint it to the original color if it was other than black. Did Truscott polish the outer surface of the flywheel? What brand(s) of oilers and grease cups did Truscott use? The opening on the aft end of this Truscott has a 3/8" drain screwed into it. Thomas believed the purpose of that threaded opening was to accommodate a reversing propellor control. Does anyone have an ad indicating what that control looked like? Any answers would be most appreciated.   Searcher Senior Member Username: searcher Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 28, 2006 - 11:27 pm: