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Goran Ritzing
Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello...

I'm sitting here in the northern of Sweden with an old marine motor
wich I guess is a Ferro two stroke gasolinmachine. Unfortunately
there is no type plate who confirm my guess but a comparison with
some pictures I found on the net, makes me almost sure it's a Ferro.

Well... I'm now trying to identify my motor exactly and hope in some
help with it...:-))

The boring is about 3 3/4" and the stroke is about 3 1/2".
It might give some 4 H.P. maby...
On the flywheel there is a 5 digit number punched 30238. Can
it possibly be the motornumber or maby a sparepartsnumber?

The function of the lubricatingsystem gives me some grey hair to
understand. Anyone who can explain it maby?

Someone have probably modified the ignition system to a Bosch
magnet system.

Besides the facts about my motor, I'm also curious about the
history about Ferro in general such as the period of manufactoring
of this type of motors and possible exports to Sweden for instance.

Are there any documetation left somewhere about Ferro at all?

Please...help a desperate antique motor enthusiast from Sweden..:-))

I attached a cuple of pictures of my motor...

Best regards
Goran
from the northern of Sweden

ritzing@algonet.se
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rbprice
Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Goran -

I have a bunch of info about Ferro engines and would be glad to share it with you. Your pictures did not show up in this post so you might want to try doing that again. Does it have an original Ferro carburetor or does it have a Schebler?

From your description, it sounds like a typical single cylinder Ferro from about 1908 to 1912. The company started in 1902 or 1903 and went out of business in 1918 or 1919. But in the interim, they made many thousands of engines.

Send me your mail address and I will copy a 1908 or 1912 catalog and send it to you.

Cheers

Bob Price from the northern part of New York.
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Richard Day
Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wrote a long post on the Ferro lubrication system a few days back. It is somewhere in this discussion posting. Perhaps that will help.
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Use the Keyword Search link on the left and enter the word "ferro".
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Goran Ritzing
Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hellp...

I missed to send the pictures of my
Ferro motor...well...here they are..:-))

regards
Goran

ferropictures
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Goran Ritzing
Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ugh!!
I culd'nt chose more than one
picturefile at the time.
Here comes the second one wich
are from the other side of the motor.

regardsa
Goran

NoTwo
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Ian Ferguson
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Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 01:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi! I work on the engines and machinery at the Warkworh Museum New Zealand.We have a Ferro eng.No.37529 Type HP2.It is like the one in Goran's photo but does not have a magneto The drive shaft extends to a braket at the top of the block.I would like to find.When was it built,What mechanism did the shaft drive.Is it a 2stroke What H.P. Thanks for your help. Ian.
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rbprice
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Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Ian - I enlarged and looked at your pictures and do not think the engine is a Ferro. It is similar but differs as follows: The water pump appears to be gear driven and all the info I have shows the pump driven by an excentric; the timer assembly is not like anything in any of my many Ferro catalogs and because it is so large, it moves the flywheel much further from the front of the cylinder than all the single cylinder Ferros: the catalog pictures I have of Ferros with magnetos have the mag mounted horizontally on the starboard side of the engine between the flywheel and the front of the cylinder; the mounting flange for the carburetor is horizontal and all the pictures in all the catalogs show a vertical face for the carb. mounting flange, the carburetor appears to be a Schebler rather than a Ferro but that is not unusual although Ferro was still pushing their own carb. in their 1911 catalog. Last, but least important, all Ferro engines were painted black.

Cheers

Bob Price
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

R.B.
If the accessories were taken off , the head ,cylinder block, lower case and intake/ exhaust manifold look like FERRO to me ??
Looks as if this one has had exstensive homework done to it !!

Fe09

Feroem1
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richardday
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Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems to me I have worked on the same model less the expansion chamber in the exhaust line. The exhaust pipe connected directly to the manifold. It was not modified and appeared to be a standard configuration. The boat and engine are now in the Mystic collection. The valve in the exhaust manifold was to break the vacuum as the engine and exhaust cooled down otherwise sea water might be sucked up into the engine.
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rbprice
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Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not really Dick. Notice how the head bolts on the Ferro in your picture, just like my Special, are much closer to the top of the head. The bolts in Ian's picture are more recessed. Note also that the water pump is mounted to the corner of the base plate and is not gear driven. Maybe the basic casting is a Ferro and someone has modified/adapted and sold it as another model of engine. Certainly the wrap-around bracket that holds the magneto is non-Ferro.

Tis a mystery. :o)

RBP
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ernie
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Posted on Saturday, July 24, 2004 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bob P your Ferro is a "special" The engine in the pics from Richar D and the engine and boat that Richard Day mentioned is NOT a "special" Note that a "special" has tubular main bearings and the rear of the crankcase is removable to get the crank out of the engine. The engine is the pics and and from Richard is another model of Ferro. The engine in Ian's pics is also one of these Ferro's. However it has been modified over the years. These engines were also sold as Canadian Fairbanks as well as several other brands. Some years back I purchased poor copies of Ferro litererature from a person in NYS for an exorbitant sum. However I have lost the copy. It showed all the Ferro engines and this style was there. Ferro also made this style in a headless version. If any of you want to pay way too much for poor copies contact me off the board and I will let you know who it is. Dick Day you have a Ferro junker you got from him.
Hope this helps
Ernie
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Ian Ferguson
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Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard Durgee Hi.Our engine is similar to your photo. Except that the verticle shaft has a flyweight govener above the spur gear,to operate the throttle, it looks original. What is in the mechanisim on the shaft above the braket to make the spark? Our water pump is ecentric driven by a conrod. Our carburetor looks as in the photo.The brass plate says,Ferro Special.The Ferro Machine and Foundry Company Cleveland Ohio. Type T H.P.3 37529. Ian Ferguson.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ian
Your Ferro Is an interesting engine and I'm not exactly sure what it was used for, with a governed throttle it probably saw stationary service of some sort, possibly marine ships electrical generator power etc.
As ernie has said in earlier post this engine is what i call the standard single cyl it was made in 4, 5 1/2 and 7 1/2 Hp versions. this eng has the split crankcase to access crankshaft and bearings. photo of bare block

Ferro st

The Ferro Special was a different model, made only in 3 HP and with housings in ends of crankcase to access shaft & bearings, looking from flywheel end your eng (STANDARD) has intake and ex manifold on the right side the (Special) has manifold on left.

Ferro T

This is a tag from a Special, sounds like the one on your eng, if it is then some one has put it on yours not knowing --- your eng is not a Special---- be interesting to know its real history !


Ferro T name
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Ian Ferguson
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Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Warkworth Museum.
Thanks for all the information. I have checked our engine after reading your replys. Our eng. has the manifold on the left looking from flywheel end Water pump bolted to The rear of the cylinder,driven by a connecting rod and eccentric cam on the crank shaft.Each main has a grease cap.Alarge plug screwed in to the block opp.manifold Rear housing bolted to crank case.Recessed head nuts.The only diference I see from that in fig 1 is that our throttle shaft extends towards the engine block 50mm to connect to the lever from the govenor system(fly weights)mounted above the verticle shaft cog. The name plate seems to be factory fitted the only difference to yours,our No.37529 and the arrow through the FERRO. On ours the bar stops after going through the "O"There is no point to the arrow. This motor seems to be a 3hp.FERRO SPECIAL Can any one know a year for it /what was mounted on the top of the verticle shaft to switch the coil to make the spark. Our eng.looks like it just left the factory,newly painted and brass polished; the carburetor looks the same as the one in the group G photo. Thanks for your help.Ian Ferguson.
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kim_taylor
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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 02:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Goodday there,
I have two Ferro portable engines and no literature or manuals.Both engines are the same and only one has a brass badge that reads,Ferro,The ferro machine and foundry co,cleveland ohio-USA, Type-T HP-3 50832.One is fitted with a schebler carby and the other is fitted with i think a ferro carby,One engine has a magento,chain driven from a spur gear on the flywheel.The other has a magento driven from a spur gear located above the flyweight govener on the verticle shaft.Both engines are hopper cooled and have flat heads not domed. The fuel tanks are mounted above the carby on both engines.Can anyone help me with buying a Ferro carby and a brass name plate. These engines are very rare in Australia and hoping someone can help me with some literature.
Kind regards Kim Taylor
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hello, i have a ferro type k no. 43977 7.5hp. color: medium gray (orrigional)has long shaft, wide base with second anchor point for shaft, for winch/crane, nets, anchor????? appears to be battery buzz coil type set up.
any info, literature, sites much appriciated.
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Randal f.
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have a flathead engine that has ferro cast in to the heads along with the mercury usa logo.also has small number tags screwed on.can anyone tell me any history?Thank you.
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Rod Gillespie
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Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 04:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Randall, Ferro were engine makers who made engines for car and tractor manufacturers as well as marine engines and I believe stationary engines. Chevrolet used a V8 Ferro engine about 1913. I have one which was used in a boat. It is probably a 4 cylinder cut in half and run as a single cylinder. A converted sump from another era and has no oil pump. Just relies on splash feed. I do have a photo of the V8 if you are interested. As with a lot of Ferro engines the crankshaft is off set. Rod.
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Tom Stranko
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I have a Xerox of a 1909 catalog that lists a magneto as an accessory. They recomend the magneto for long time service (running long hours)keeping a set of batteries just to start the engine and for emergency.
They also show a make & break Ferro which I would like to see sometime. There is no actual picture of the mag in the 1909 Xerox cat. but it is illustrated in a different 1909 original I have as different versions of an "Apple" generator or a horseshoe Magneto; all belt driven. A 1912 Xerox I have also describes and illustrates the horseshoe magnet type operating from a second right angle gear installed above the first that drives the timer shaft. The mag sits perpendicular to the C/S line inside a metal water proof "can" (says its a Bosch).
The 1912 also shows the Ferro stationary with a spoke flywheel and about a 2 gallon tank cooling container connected to the cylinder; all the stationarys shown in the 1909 appear to be unmodified inboards
Tom
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RichardDurgee
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Randal

Does your engine look like this ??

 Ferrp 4cyl flathead

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