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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Again:

I am the same guy that has the Maynard-Adams.
I need help with my Cailee. Is it two or three
port engine? I don't know. What type of carburetor would be best suited, and who could help me set the ignition and timing problems
that I will encounter? I am new at this will need
lots of tips and help.

Thanks for your time.

Randy Ridderbush
Valdez, AK

P.S. Alot of stuff is missing on the motor.
I have the levewr that sits in back if the fly
wheel, and most of the rest is ther. Missing the
card and ignition system, fuel tank, etc.
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Randy,

I'm sure we can help you with information on the Caille. I have a couple early Caille catalogs and I know other collectors have much more. But have you told us what size this engine is or anything else about it? Caille made a large range of engines including multi-cylinder 4 cycle engines.

Give us some more information about it and we will try to help. A picture is always helpful too.

I think that the early Caille two cycle engines were two-port. I have a 1916 catalog that shows a section view of one and it is a two-port. In fact it has a cast intake manifold that includes the intake check valve (a very difficult part to replace if it is missing).

The ignition systems varied.

Regards,
Andrew

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Richard Day
Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Andrew I have a very good two port intake manifold with the built in valve for a Caille. What is are the dimensions of the rectangular casting that bolts to the engine?
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dick,

I am not sure if Randy is missing that part or not... Randy...????

If you are missing it Randy, you must be living right to have possibly found a replacement. Post the dimesions for the the recangular boss that the manifold would bolt onto.

Regards,
Andrew
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

First of all:

Thanks for the encouraging words and help.
The photo from the catalog almost matches my engine.

Now to the details:

I am missing the water pump innards.I have the exhaust - complete, not broken, but repiared who knows when.
The piston is aprox. 5 inches in diam, about 6 inches to the tallest point, I have the water pum housing, which is brass or bronze, I have the complete lever which goes on right in back of the fly wheel. The wrist pin is almost loose. There is some movemet. The rod needs re-babbited(sp)
Who does that. The babbit in the case is very tight with the crank installed. I have a Gray carburetor for it.

The engine is almost all apart.

I have to do is remove the flywheel and a couple of other things and everything will come off.

How do you remove flywheels?

The piston has cleaned up real nmice. The rings are free. I need two rings. Where do you get rings? The orininal two are in great shape, and sharp edges. I have use 12 volt electrolysis
and everything is really cleaning up nice.

Thanks again.

Randy
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK:

Here is an up date. The only rectangular base
is near the base of the engine. When you look inside you see some sort of port. Maybe I don't have the exhaust system. But a repaired something? However the outside dim. of the only rectangular boss is 4 1/4" X 2 1/4" outside.
The inside dimensions are 3 1/4 X 1 1/8".

Does anybody have photo of in take and exhaust?

Thanks.

Randy

Phone number is 907-835-4152
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andrew
Posted on Friday, August 02, 2002 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Randy,

5" bore is a big engine! The two catalogs that I have (one is 1916 the other I am unsure) show the 6HP model as 4-3/4" bore by 4-1/2" stroke. The 8HP is 5-1/4" bore x 5" stoke. They also show other dimensions such as flywheel diameter which might help identify your engine.

There are a lot of people in the antique auto hobby that do babbitting. You might contact your local car club to find someone local... or look for an "old fashioned" machine shop. You could also try it yourself...there are some booklet and articles that describe it.

Most people who have worked on these type of engines have at least one horror story to tell about removing flywheels.... and have vowed to only remove them when absolutely neccessary. There are lots of methods and there has been a lot written about it. I think if you search (using the Keyword Search link on the left) for flywheel you will find some discussion about it. There is also a two page discription of flywheel removal in Dick's reprint of the PALMER GAS ENGINE HANDBOOK, which is a book that would be helpful to you in general.

There are a number of suppliers of custom made rings, including Niagra Piston Works and also Otto Engine in Maryland.

Also Art DeKalb sells some Callie reproduction castings... small parts, not cylinders. I think they are for the smaller engines. You can call him at: 315-298-3410.

Regards,
Andrew
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's me Again: Randy

OK. The Caille and Maynard are almost completely stripped (in less than two weeks). The only items left are the flywheels attached to the crank shafts and a few loose and easily to removed items. I need to remove the flywheels to get the cranks turned next. All the parts are cleaned and soaking in diesel.

What would be the next logical step toward restoration? I am new at this, so I need help.
Oops, by the way the Maynard has a stuck piston.
Can you press it out?

On these old engines, can you polish or clean up the rod area of the crank with emery cloth. The
surfaces don't look all that bad. If tolerances
are not too critical the the fly wheels can stay
attaced.

Well anyway I need some help. Thanks

Randy - any and all opinions accepted- graciously
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From: Randy
To: Andrew

Thanks. I ordered the book you recommended.
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andrew
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are pictures of Randy's engine:
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Dick Gibbens
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your engine looks like a DETROIT or SANDOW. My 8HP one cyl Caille is exactly like the catalog picture. There may be other names for the same set of patterns. (Pic in a seperate email)
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andrew
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is Dick's picture:
sandow
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J.B. Castagnos
Posted on Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think Dick may be right, the Caille used a triangular 3 bolt water pump mount, Detroit and Termat&Monihan used your type pump. I think the Detroit had three holes in the flywheel, T&M had four. The Caille also used a smaller exhaust manifold, without the top hole. The rest of the parts on these engines seemed to be out of the same mold. J.B.
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is Randy. Please help identify the engine.
The flywheel to my engine has three holes, like the Caille.What type of engine is the green one pictured below mine? It sure looks an awful like the one I have. And does anybody have any parts for them? Is it a Detroit or Sandow?
Thanks for posting.

Randy
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Randy Ridderbush
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What typ of carburation does the green engine utilize? Dick could you explain what some of the parts are and if any of the pieces/parts
are available? Could you take or get some
other angles of the engine please. It sure would help.
What is a functional/restored engine like this worth anyway? Jus curious.

Randy
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Nick Bettevy
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Randy,
The picture that Dick sent is of my engine.It appears to be just like yours. Detroit must have sold engines for many purposes. Mine is tagged as a stationary engine but sure looks marine to me. The engine is two port so it requires a check valve in the intake. Mine is built into the mixer much the same as the Lunkenheimer marine engine mixers on older marine engines. A Schebler carb. will work just fine on your engine if you install an in-line check valve between the carb. and engine. I will try to post pics. that may be helpful.
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andrew
Posted on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are Nick's pictures:

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Richard Day
Posted on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems to me its a two/three port and needs a check valve with the carburetor. It could be Termat and Monohan, Detroit, Columbia and I don't know how many other sold that engine. Appraently they kept selling the core boxes and patterns and other sold them under their names. It has an SAE style two bolt flange for the carburetor or mixer so it couldn't by any Caille I have ever run across. Mox Nix whatever it is at this point how can we tell there were so many knock offs of this style engine. I have three and they are all different in trival ways. Don't pull the flywheel as you have no way to get behind it at the hub and you will cause more damage than improve the situation. Seems to me you need to find a SAE two bolt flange and put on a 1 inch Schebler model D with a marine check. Make up a pump strap like the one shown in the photos above. The ignition vital parts are all there so find a model T buzz coil and spark plug and you should be ready to roll. My thoughts.
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andrew
Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are pictures of Randy's Sandow:

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John Davis
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Username: johnny

Post Number: 118
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone know if Randy ever got this engine running? Is he still on this forum?

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