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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doug Kimball's new find !


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keith
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Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
I recently picked up a 10 hp 2 cylinder Wonder. The serial no. is 2404, so it is later than Doug's. It also has the intake and exhaust on the same side of the engine. Another feature is it has a flyball govenor on the timer shaft. I will post pictures when I get a chance.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keith

This is my 10 Hp Wonder serial 3156 later than yours, If we compare these engines with some of the info I already have, may be able to figure out what years they were made.

Bruce do you have a Cornwell or a Wonder ??

Any other wonder engines or photos available ?

W2

W4

W6

W13
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wonder article From Gas Engine Magazine sent by Doug K.

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W2

W3
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keith
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
My engine has the water pipeing from the head and cylinder oilers.
Keith
Wonder
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keith
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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keith
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are some pictures of the govenor. I don't know if this is factory or something someone added.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Keith

Thats a cool old engine and I believe original in its stationary form. R.M.Cornwell was a mfgr of electrical generators, dynamos, pumps,saws etc, a few marine engs. His early advertising was not in marine publications, so probably in electrical, stationary pump ads ? which i don't have. I have a 1905-06 R.M.Cornwell catalog but not much from 1907-09.
Am working at posting photos here with some sense of accuracy, soon!
Your engine tag and Dougs above are the same, but different than on mine. ?

So Far only 5 serial Numbers available !

1.Doug K------------538
2.Keith B------------2404
3.Article above------2592
4.Richard D----------3156
5.Article above------3366

HELP: Any other Wonder Engines out there ??
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andrew
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a two cylinder Wonder at The Antique Boat Musuem in Clayton. I don't know the serial number.

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bruce
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the "Wonderful" discussion! My single cyl R M Cornwell base is configured like the ABM twin pictured in Andrew's post.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce

Does your engine have the cylinder bolted to crankcase or one single casting like ABM above ? Does it have a bolt on head ? Whats serial number ??
Sorry for all the questions but yours is the only Cornwell I know of! THANKS
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce

One more question does your eng have the round gland nut on the water pump like on Dougs above or is it a hex nut ? Thanks again !
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Undated R.M. Cornwell Co catalog probably (1905-06) by above article!

The first Engine they advertised single headless in 1905

WonR1

Early Marine engine 1905 ca

WonR2

New design twin 1906 ca

WonR3

Another Twin 1906 ca with the only separate intake and exhaust That I could find, similar to dougs eng above !

WonR4

1907-- 1908 no photos available yet !

1909 has the distinct down looped intake manifold

Won jan 1909

1909 Triple

WonJ09

1910----- No photo info available yet!

1911 Single

Wonsingle1911

1911 Twin-- This one looks like Keiths Engine above!

Wontwin1911

1912 No photo info..

1913-14 singles showing 6 hp heavy duty engine.

Won113-14

1913-14 engine list

Won213-14 list

1913-14 Twin & triple, this is first engines with wet exhausts, similar to my engine above!

Won313-14twin tri

The engines above are all older than 1914, if a newer engine shows up I will look into 1914-1918

The best mfg dates on our engines give or take a year or so!

Dougs twin------1907-08
Keiths----------1910-11
Richards--------1912-13

Nothing written in stone here just an attempt to get some basics on paper that we can use to compare future information to.
Comments, info, serial numbers, photos etc appreciated !
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andrew
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This has become quite a thread on "Wonder". The following photos were in my files, but I don't recall where there came from.

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I also have a couple pictures of what was represented to be a "Wonder Engine made in Canada". It is a single cylinder four cycle vertical engine on a stationary base and doesn't look like any of the engines show above. Was there another Wonder Engine Company in Canada? I could post the pictures here if you guys want, but I hate to cloud the issue. I could also just email them to Richard, Bruce, Kieth, or anyone else that might want the evaluate it.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Andrew !

It just dawned on me that I took the ABM photo above ( silver blue twin) and had a side shot of it also- shows the down looped intake manifold like in the 1909 ad above- Same as engine above with flywheel off!


wonC

The Tuttle is a distraction , its the other one !
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bruce
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Richard. I think my R M Cornwell was the thermo-syphon tank cooled model you show. The cylinder has the same base style as the "rusty" twin that Andrew posted.I won't see the engine until next week as I'm headed for Grand Rapids MI. tomorrow. It has a "U-tube intake identical to a small single Wonder owned by Donn Booth in Cortland NY. I was on Tallman Street this week-no evidence of a building but the Brennan Engine Company billboard size sign is still very legable on their former building on Water St. I'm still learning the digital camera/ picture posting skills- will try to speed up my learning curve..Hope your all bolted down for Wilma this weekend..
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keith
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is another Wonder I have.
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keith
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard
It has the hex nut on the pump.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce

Good stuff, practice your skills by posting photos here of some of that marine iron you have!
good luck with it- Thanks for input Here.



Keith

This one looks like the single version of the 1909 twin in ad above, the 1130 serial number would also put it about 1909 !
Whats the Hp on the tag can't quite make it out?
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abm
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Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Antique Boat Museum's Wonder is serial number 2902. Our accession records put a date of 1907 on it but the accuracy of that date is questionable.
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richarddurgee
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Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ABM

Thanks for the serial number, the engine ( silver blue) above looks to be in the 1908-1910 range although the serial number is high, is this the only Wonder engine in ABM ??
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abm
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Richard, first you are welcome. I will take a look through the records and look around tomorrow and let the site know if we have more Wonders.
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abm
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The Wonder in the photos above #2902 is the only Wonder engine at the ABM. I have attached 3 other views for your information. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.





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ernie
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are more pics of a different Wonder from Bob Long obling35@comcast.net
Bob made the timer.




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keith
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Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie
Bob's has a high Wet Head.
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ernie
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Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes it does.
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ernie
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is another Wonder Ad.
It is from April 1906 Popular Machanics
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rgvrr
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here is another ad:
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richardday
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interesting discussion. Why do some heads seem much thinner than others? Are some actually hot heads and the water outlet simply passes through and out or are the heads thicker and recessed into the top of the cylinder to get increased thickness to permit hollow water passages? Bobs almost looks like it could have been made up after the old head failed. I wonder if there are any others like Bob's. No pun intended.
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marshduck
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Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have a Wonder Engine, it is the one with the
pics that they don't know where they came from.
I removed the plugs and put oil in the cylinders about 8 years ago.
Now I am retired and would like to restore the engine. The lower half came off and so did the heads, both easy. but the pistons are seized up very good. I used bees wax and heat from two small torches. I don't know David Copperfield
and I don't have a magic wand.

How can I free up the pistons???????


it has been used in freshwater in michigan,
the water jackets look very good, the engine looks good.

Jim Marsh
Newport, Michigan
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matt_morehouse
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Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try Silikroil. It works for me.
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jb_castagnos
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I find a piece of pipe, machine if necessary to fit behind the piston, insall in the press and apply pressure. If it doesn't move with a pressure I'm comfortable with, I apply heat to the cylinder while in the press. Usually it moves with just a slight amount of heat.
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marshduck
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Raise the roof or Move the Piston.

I used a 6 ton jack, two torches and bees wax.
the pistons pushed out hard.
Thanks JB_CASTAGNOS YOUR TIP, WORKED GREAT
The pistons and cylinders look very good.
this is the only way I could press out the pistons.
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richarddurgee
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Good job getting the pistons out without damage !
That is the old R.M.Cornwell designed engine its 100 plus a few yrs old,Great to see these very early ones still around and treasured !

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wingwood
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Enclosed are pictures of a newly aquired Wonder. Serial number 1169. Paint appears original. Any idea of year of manuf??
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marshduck
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Wonder Engine All painted up pretty,
and it turns over, My Dad had this Engine for 50 years, I wish he could have seen it. I didn't get it so it will run, it just looks pretty. Wonder Engine--Looking Pretty

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