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George Verbryck
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Username: verbryck

Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was out over last weekend and started getting a bunch of white smoke. So I pulled the manifold and the head and found a hole in the number two cylinder of the head. Easy enough I thought but have found that there are two models of head and I do not seem to be able to identify which one I have ,rust. So are they interchangeable or did plamer only use one? The rest of the engine including the manifold look much better than I expected , so I have decided when I reassemble to fresh water cool. Has any one else done this? I plan to use an electric raw water pump and the engine pump to cool the engine through a small heat exchanger I already bought. What kind kind of pressure should the system run under, I figure it does not need much 5-10 lb cap? As to the head I have a couple of other questions the C60 seems to use bolts while the palmer has studs is there a good reason? As it would have been much easier to pull the head with out the studs in the head. Further they are going to need replacement and the bolts are easy to procure from a tractor dealer. If anyone has anything else to ad I am all ears and BTDT would be extremely helpful. Regards, George
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Eddie Ross
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Username: eddie

Post Number: 231
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do not understand two cyl. head models. Where did you find this information? If using a tractor head you would have to tap and drill a !/8" pipe thread hole in the forward end of head for air bleed hose.
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Howard Taylor
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Username: catec

Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

George,
I converted my Palmer P-60 system to fresh water cooling awhile back. My heat exchanger was too small and had overheating problems, so I returned to salt water cooling.
The heat exchanger needed, must be adequate for about a 40-50 Hp marine engine because of the Palmer cooling operation at low - nearly zero pressure.
Contact me if you need more details.
Howard Taylor
h.taylor@catec.com
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Lawrence T Wolfe
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Username: larry_from_maryland

Post Number: 351
Registered: 07-2003


Posted on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think there are two heads listed for that farm engine. The later engines had higher compression and raised piston tops. So i think later heads are a little differant.
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George Verbryck
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Username: verbryck

Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eddie , there are two models and it does have to do with the crowned pistons in any case I have been told if you have the flat pistons either head will work ,but not the other way round. I got the information form the tractor dealer I called to get a head. They wanted to know which one I wanted.It is resolved now but after the post from Howard above I am not sure about fresh water cooling. I do not want to have to do this job twice. So has anyone successfully converted their engine to fresh water cooing, if so what was your method. I flush my engine after every use with fresh water and I still had rust through on the head. I have only owned the boat for five years and can not speak about it before I owned it but it is frustrating to have to worry. My manifold seems to be in great shape this is why I thought about fresh cooling. If not I will go back to my previous system, so far the best place I have found to get a copper gasket is gaskettogo in Thailand . Anybody have any other suggestions? Thanks, George
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Eddie Ross
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Username: eddie

Post Number: 232
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know that in the tractor version it is refered to as a C60 engine which comes from the displacement of approx 60 cubic inches. Is there a simmiliar engine that is not a C60 in tractors? Just a thought.
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Username: richardday

Post Number: 748
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For George Verbryck I have been meaning to get back to you I would like to know about this claim there are two heads for the IHC CUB LoBoy C-60 engine. So many confuse the LoBoy with the Cub Cadet it is hard to understand what is going on.
Take your old head to any tractor dealer and simply buy a used head. Plug the 5/16th threaded hole for the governor control rod you don't have on a marine engine and bore an 1/8th inch pipe thread in the same location as on your old head and you are back in business. Gaskets to go is a good source of a compressible copper head gasket and you are in business. Don't try to use the tractor gasket in salt water. Hope this helps.
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George Verbryck
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Username: verbryck

Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Richard I got my information from, JP TRACTOR SALVAGE. They are hosts or advertise on the farmallcub.com web page. When I spoke to them they informed me that there are two versions of the head for the C60 engine. They asked if I could get a casting number off the head so they could ship out the correct head. I was unable to provide one ( ru and then found accordingly that the difference is later C60 engines came with domed pistons which may or may not require a different head, I do not know. It became meaningless to me as I have flat pistons and supposedly either head would work. As for running down to my local tractor dealer I live in Long Beach CA and we ain't got no tractor dealers unfortunately! This is the reason I was trying to have one shipped, in the end I got one from a vendor on ebay as it was the best price I could find. As to the head gasket I was planning to use the regular tractor version as I was going to switch over to fresh water cooling. I am not sure but I think Howard from above has convinced me to skip it , we have been exchanging emails and details. His attempt looks exactly like what I was going to do and it did not work. I will just get a copper gasket and be done with it. I have, since I bought my boat flushed the engine with fresh water after every use and my engine was very tidy inside. I figure with the new head it should last a good long time! In any case thanks for all the replies I will post results. Regards, George

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