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Robert
Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Plates only I'm afraid Dick: NR1 1181917 RA-1 1255118 Now what does that tell us, if anything? More of V.M. Dafoe's sales of yesteryear no doubt.
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Richard Day
Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well the NR-1 tag is 426 engines later than the only NR-1 tag for 1917. The RA-1 tag is 1085 engines earlier than the RW-1 engine owned by William Dittman of Bradenton, Fl. The RA-1 tag is the only currently known RA related artifact for any year. It does help narrow down when the RA model was actually in production. What is quite apparent from the overall serial number listing is they seem to be related only to the next engine what ever model as it came off the line. Your tag numbers clearly fit the pattern and I consider them legitimate numbers from that point of view. Alway pleased to get a new number and two in one day is a big addition these days as I seem to have just about run down all the currently known antique Palmers but always hoping for more. What can you tell us of V.M. Dafoe? That name rings a faint bell but can't pull it up at the moment. Thanks for the input.
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Robert
Posted on Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dick, glad that was of some interest. V.M.Dafoe, according to an article in The Westcoast Mariner, Nov. 1997, had the Palmer engine agency from 1906 to 1945/6. Unfortunately everything is gone in terms of records etc.; I checked several years ago! The firm celebrated their 100th anniversary in 1997 and having started as boat builders are now a machine shop "concentrating solely on propeller shafting"
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Bill Schaller
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

how about this one, Dick.
PN2/1? or PN12? No. 2386827
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bill
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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bill schaller
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That cold fresh water on Lake Superior sure kept it in nice shape. If you are ever in Duluth, MN, there is a very nice little marine museum next to the famous lift bridge, an ore boat, and a great RR museum a few blocks away. There is a whaleback ship a couple of miles away, too.

"The Scene
The iconic Aerial Lift Bridge--spanning the canal that connects Lake Superior to the Duluth-Superior Harbor--has been a picture-postcard symbol since 1905. But it took more than seven decades for adjacent blocks to morph into an entertainment district of restaurants, bars, shops and hotels. With the greatest of the Great Lakes on one side, a bustling harbor on the other and the spectacle of Duluth climbing the hillside, this is the Upper Midwest's own special version of seaside charm. "

http://www.lsmma.com/
http://www.lsrm.org/front.htm
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Richard Day
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great! PNR-2 238682827 1927 Has the R clutch which was changed in 1929 to the XL clutch. The R clutch could not handle the higher torque of the PNR. PNR was basically an NR with a detachable head versus the early domed head. The crankshaft was not counterbalanced as in the ZR which looked almost the same as the PNR. The oil pump has been routed to the timer gear compartment instead of a sight glass over the intermediate gear. This must have been done by s restorer as the drip oiler would not provide the volume of lubrication the intermediate gear and cranks demand. The oil fill plug has some sort of fitting that doesn't appear in any Palmer publication I have ever seen. The crankcase PVC vent is not connected to the carb air inlet from the exhaust oven. Gate valve in the cooling water discharge line is a no! no!. The small amount of water piped the the exhaust line aft of the oven would probably not begin to cool the exhaust line adequately. Atwater Kent with towers at 90 degrees is correct and probably original to the engine. Schebler model D is correct for 1927. This intake manifold is not water heated. Water heated intake manifolds began to appear about 1927 on the ZR-2 and PNR-2. They appeard on the ZR-3 and ZR-4 in about 1925.
Flywheel nut isn't factory. Should be a diamond shaped puller nut. Should have a Brass cap to keep one from catching their pant cuff when stomping on the spokes to start. Where is it I will send them one? Takes a 10/32 machine screw to hold it in place.
This is a very nice restoration and my comments should not be taken as critical. A lot of changes took place from the time these old timers left the factory and hit the junk heap. Glad to see it Bill. Where is it located? Rare to find the serial no. tag and large brass plaque on the no. 1 cylinder.
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bill schaller
Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is at Lake Superior Maritime Visitor Center, Duluth, MN. I would have got better pictures and info, but I only had 10 minutes in the whole musuem before my harbor tour boat left. I will be back this year some time. here is a email address you can contact them at

THOMAS.RHOLDEN@LRE02.USACE.ARMY.MIL

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Richard Day
Posted on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Bill will try to get in touch with them. Looks like it is in very good condition.
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