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Chip
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Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the appropriate timing for spark on a Palmer P-60 (eg. 2 degrees before TDC)?
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Eddie Ross
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Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Timing of the ignition is done by bringing #1 piston (forward cylinder) to top dead center on the compression stroke. Be sure the rotor is in line with the #1 contact on distributor cap
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Chip
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Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Eddie. I found the following info with regard to IH Cub Lo-Boy. Seems like this is inline with the suggestion. Am I correlating the info correctly to say that spark should be dead-on TDC?

Make Model Point Gap Spark Plug Gap Timing Mark On Spark Occurs Firing Order Int. Valve Clearance Exh. Valve Clearance Comments

Farmall/IH 154 Lo-Boy, Cub Lo-Boy, Farmall Cub .020 .023 FP TDC 1-3-4-2 .013C .013C For IHC magneto set points to .013, Wico magneto set to .015 - Int & Exh valve clearance for 154 Lo-Boy set to .015

http://www.antiquetractors.com/Research/tuneup.htm
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Posted on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pull number one cylinder (the one next to the flywheel) up on TDC. Note Chisel marks on face of flywheel shroud and top rim or face of flyheel. Flywheel turns counter clockwise facing it. Distributor turns clockwise facing it. Loosen cap screw locking distributor angular rotation. Rotate so points just start to open at TDC. Lock cap screw. Note position of distributor rotor. This is number one spark plug tower in distributor cap. Firing order is 1,3,4,2. Point gap is .018 to .020 Spark advance is automatic in the distributor.
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Karl Burton
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Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you are having odd timing issues - remember that the technique above gives static timing. Spark advance is "automatic" - unless the centrifugal advance mechanism is all rusted up and frozen, and it doesn't take all that much rust to freeze it, or at least make it sluggish and ineffective.

Pull the distributor, take out the base plate (the thing the points and condenser attach to) and you'll see the advance mechanism underneath it.
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems to me an el-cheapo neon timing light is a better way to go as you can easily check the spark advance without tearing into the distributor and you get a dynamic read out just by watching the advance operate when you speed up the engine.
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Richard Shapiro
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Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's what I use. It's really quick and easy. I can see the timing advance as I blip the throttle off idle. Not only that, but the flash makes the chisel cut on the flywheel easily visible.

Rich
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williamjchampion
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Add a little "white out" to the timing mark on the flywheel and it will be easier to see with the timing light. I had problems with my P-60 a couple of years ago with stalling under load. The engine idled great and would rev with no problems, but once it went into gear - it wanted to die. Turns out the springs in the distributor spark advance were shot.
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Gregory Coats
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Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone know what the timing should be on a Palmer M60, I installed electronic ignition and now need to set the timing. gregcoats1@yahoo.com
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Richard Shapiro
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Registered: 09-2005
Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2007 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm assuming that you found the chisel cuts on the block and the flywheel (they are small and near the oil filter housing on my engine). These cuts mark TDC.

If you have the engine running, I'd use a timing light, and set the strobe to TDC at idle. You can then rev the engine to make sure that the spark advance is working properly.

If the engine is not running, the earlier posts on this thread have all the specifics.

If you can't make head or tail of the posts, write back to the list and we can go through it.
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Lee Ann Kelly
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

upgraded to a pertronix electronic ing having trouble with starting any ideas
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kevin stone
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have electronic ignition on our Palmer. A few more details on your issues would help. How was it running before, and what is it doing when you try to start now?

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