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Andrew Menkart
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Username: andrew

Post Number: 1275
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The following came in by email. I am posting it here so John can get some additional imput.

quote:

will soon begin building the Atkins' designed "Victor Slocum" 16-foot inboard launch and Billy Atkins specified the Palmer Baby Huskie (6 hp w/gear). I was wondering if this engine could possibly still be available in TOP CONDITION and what would one expect to have to pay for it? My alternative to this engine would be the small 1-cylinder model 11A-1 or 2-cylinder 12C-2 diesel Westerbeke ......probably the latter because I want a smooth running engine and I've heard the 1-cylinder diesels are subject to much vibration.

In the event the Baby Huskie is not available, can you tell me how much one of these engines weighs? I am interested in comparing the weight of the Baby Huskie to either of the two Westerbekes.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

John
Belton, Texas
btbldr@vvm.com


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Andrew Menkart
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Post Number: 1276
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Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John,

I recall the Atkin's design "Victor Slocum" from Wooden Boat magazine some years ago. Beautiful little launch.

The weight of the Palmer BH is shown as 130 and 175 lbs. I believe that is without or with the reverse gear.

The Palmer BH comes up for sale occasionally. The condition would depend on what happens to be available and how long you are willing to wait and search.

Anothe option is the Palmer model PW-27 with is similar size weight and horsepower (8hp at 2800RPM, 150 lbs with gear). If you do a search of this board you will find lots of discussion about the PW-27. I would say they are generally somewhat easier to find and aquire. Also some of the parts are more readily available because the majority of the engine was based on a Wisconsin model. Again you can search this board. We also sell a manual that covers the BH and PW models.

Regards,
Andrew
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Andrew Menkart
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Post Number: 1277
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Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW, for anyone that is interested, here is a link to some info on the

Victor Slocum Launch
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Username: richardday

Post Number: 494
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I were putting any small water cooled marine engine in a small launch I would fresh water cool it with 50:50 anti-freeze and fresh water. I would simply run an 8-10 foot length 3/4" copper pipe up one side of the keel rubbing strip make a U turn and bring it back to the stern area. Add two through hulls for the keel cooler, short lengths of copper pipe with rubber hose vibration isolators, an exspansion tank with removable top pipe cap, use about 2" dia. copper pipe perhaps 3" taller than the engine. Run the discharge heated water from the engine into the keel cooler and the return to the inlet water pump on the engine. Bore a 1/8" hole in the pipe cap for venting the expansion tank. If you want to regulate the engine water temp put Ts in the to and from lines to the keel cool and connect them together with a gate valve to permit regulating mixing heated water with cooler water. Run a dry exhaust or wet exhaust with salt water cooling the exhaust copper pipe. This will require a small sea water pump strictly for the exhaust cooling. These system were very common around the Chesapeake Bay and they are fool proof and cheap.
I am afraid finding a suitable PW-27 or BH will not be cheap or an easy find as most are pretty well rotted out from salt water cooling. When we were kids we used Briggs and Strattons, direct drive no clutch or reverse. What do you think oars are for anyway!!! They would run all day on almost no fuel but I suppose that is too modern for today's boat builders. To me the most disconcerting noise is the timing gear noise in the PW-27. It is worse than the exhaust noise. In the PW-27 there are no air cooling fins that radiate the combustion noise instead you hear the gear noise while not exessivly loud it is noticable.
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Andrew Menkart
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Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

John replied by email:


quote:

Andrew (and Richard),

many thanks for the input and for the posting.......am leaning more and more toward the 2-cylinder Westerbeke diesel but they are really expensive......around $5500 plus freight. I want this boat to be built "just right" so I may go ahead and spring for the diesel.....it develops 12 hp at 3000 rpm and, based on input from the guys on Woodenboat Forum, it is extremely reliable and long lived . It weighs 225 pounds and that is probably a bit heavier than the Baby Huskie but hopefully not enough to matter since the engine is located amidships.

Again.....thanks a million for your help with my project.

John Campbell


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John A. Campbell
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

One more question regarding the Palmer Baby Huskie....would you happen to know the forward gear ratio of the transmission? The Westerbeke 12C-TWO diesel is 2.05:1 (standard) and I can specify ratios if desired. I am trying to match the shaft speed of the diesel to the B.H. as closely as possible. Would REALLY like to find a B.H. in tip-top shape and am willing to pay a premium price for it.
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Richard A. Day Jr.
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Post Number: 522
Registered: 11-2003


Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The prop shaft drive gear ratio was determined by the reverse gear. In the later BH25 production when Snow and Knabstadt went out of business Palmer used the Paragon OXKA or later B. There was an adapter that could bolt on the aft end of the OXKB housing that gave a 2:1 or 3:1 reduction. The drive shaft from the reverse gear to the reduction gear had to be changed from the straight 1:1 drive. These reduction gears are nearly impossible to find. There are OXKB straight drives around but their housings will not all be suitable for Palmer BH or PW27. For example the housing for the M60 or P60 is different from other makers who used the Paragon OXKB reverse gear. Keep in mind the housing and the reverse gear are two different items. You have to have a housing that bolts up to your engine.
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tomjoyce
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Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Day - I found this site several months back and have been monitoring. I have a 40 year old 150hp 6cyl "Palmer" which is overheating. Both cooling and raw pumps are good and I have replaced all the hoses. Overheats with or without thermostadt which appears to be operating fine. Oil is clear. Held head pressure test this winter when cold. Would not hold cooling sys pressure test with warm engine. Do I try to get a head gasket and pull same or what would be your best suggestion? Thank you Tom Joyce - Wareham, MA
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Andrew Menkart
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Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,

You posted your question and the end of a 2 year old thread of conversations...

You should go back to the Palmer category and click on the "start new converstion" link in the blue bar at the top and post the question again.

Thanks.

Let me know if you have any trouble.
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Steve Francis
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Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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