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abm
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Name That Engine

The Antique Boat Museum, Clayton, New York (www.abm.org)

The Antique Boat Museum, located in Clayton, New York on the shores of the St. Lawrence River, is the home of the largest collection of antique and classic fresh water boats in North America. Founded in 1964 by a group of antique boat aficionados, the museum has grown to a preeminent position as a conservator of our heritage. The collection consists of over 200 antique and classic water craft including a 17th century Native American canoe circa sailing canoes, St. Lawrence skiffs, an entire building dedicated to mahogany runabouts from the early half of the 20th century a host of famous race boats from the Gold Cup competition. Engines, both inboard and outboard are also an important aspect of our collection. We have several where no other examples of their type have survived. Most recently we have on loan the only and original 12 cylinder behemoth race engine developed for Horace Dodge. It alone is worth a trip to the museum.

Each summer we host one of the largest and most prestigious in-water shows of antique and classic boats in the world. Exhibitors and spectators travel from all over North America to attend. This year marks the 40th anniversary of this, our largest event. Secondly, again each year we host the Festival of Oar, Paddle and Sail where hundreds of people take to the water to explore the exhilarating feeling of small craft. Every other year we also host The Antique Race Boat Regatta where hundreds of race boats have fun competitions with the objective of going very fast over the water. In total we have some 35,000 visitors to the museum annually.

In our collection we have literally a couple of hundred engines. These range from inboards including pre-1900 one-lunger make-and-breaks to Rolls-Royce Merlins and outboards of every make and description including many rare and unique examples.

Here then is where you as antique marine engine buffs can help us. In a few cases we cannot even identify an engine due to name plates being removed. In other cases we have a modicum of information but would like to have “everything” recorded. This would include all of the important high-level items such as manufacturer, year, horsepower, bore and stroke. But just as important would be the trivia; dealers information, background on the manufacturer, boats they were installed in and very importantly if you have any advertisements or print articles from the period we would very much like high quality copies for our research files.

As a volunteer working at the museum and a long-time user of this site I contacted Andrew to ascertain if he agreed with using the www.oldmarineengine.com site to ask you as users for any assistance you might offer in identifying these historical artifacts. He thought it was a great idea. So, about once a month I will put up photographs and any information we do have on a specific engine. We would ask that you post responses on the site. If you have any printed information or with great luck a photograph of the same engine that you might have please mail these to my attention at the museum.

If you are ever in Clayton and want to visit us we would welcome you. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Dave Richardson
The Antique Boat Museum
750 Mary Street
Clayton, NY 13624

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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We are very glad to have Dave posting pictures of engines from the collection at Clayton. Hopefully we can assist him with information.

Here are the current pictures:

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Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello David and thanks for the posting. I have been a member of ABM for many years and always go to Clayton along with the other places where old marine engine are shown: like Mystic, CT and Calvert, MD. IMHO, ABM is one of the best - the boats are great, the flea market is super and the museum and library are second to none.

If there is anyone in the world who can identify your unknown engine, they are watching this web site.

By the way, your two links did not show a picture when I tried to go there.

Cheers

Bob Price
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Bob Price was good enough to share an ad for a 3 cyl Speedway marine motor with me and coincidentaly, the simularities to the mystery engine are uncanny to the Speedway ad. Perhaps Bob can be persuaded to post the ad for comparison
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Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This engine reminds me of a Clifton Marine engine. anyone with a catalog about 1909 - 1913 ?
The magneto with the drive shaft going through the cylinders is very unique ?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about a Campbell from Wyzata MN (spelling)
??????
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Thanks for the great response thus far. Bruce, Rebecca (Curator at the ABM) also forwarded me your message. I will look in the archives tomorrow.

Bob Price, can we persuade you to post the advertisement Bruce mentioned. Thanks also for your post.

Richard, the magneto is huge with a 1/2" shaft.

If there is any more infor or pics I can supply to help sleuth this down please let me know. As you can see from photo 1 the engine plate was regretably removed.

Cheers
Dave
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Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave a full engine shot of the magneto side would be helpful.
This 1909 Clifton 4 cyl is a smaller pistoned eng but look at crankcase machined lip were covers fit,look at crankshaft disc's ??( Not sure what they are),cylinder base design, the support upright rods, each size Clifton had a different cylinder casting at base but all have same likeness? a catalog is needed here to note differences and that unique magneto drive ??


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Hopefully Bob Price ad copy will show all the top cylinder intake of Speedway and cant of the exhaust simular to Mystery ABM engine. Bob??
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Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ernie, it doesn't look like my Campbell.
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Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bill,
That is why I made that comment. I was hoping you would confirm
Thanks
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Well folks - I don't have a digital picture of the Speedway ad but - it is a May 1907 Rudder so David can look for it in the marvelous Clayton library.

Allowing for the difference between a 3 and 6 cylinder engine, the unknown could be a Speedway. The interface between the cylinders and the exhaust manifold is similar, the placement of the gear box is similar. The six may be an older engine than the 1907 four.

RBP
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Posted on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks to everyone for your help on this. With the hints you provided we tracked it down in the library. Comparing advertisements etc. it is clearly the big Speedway. I will post a copy of the advertisment from Rudder of 1907 tomorrow. With Speedway in mind we also contacted the Adirondack Museum who also have one. However, I am still trying to fill in the magneto story and show some background on any boats it was installed in. So any help there would be appreciated. Thanks again. We will put up another unique engine next week.
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Robert Collier of Colliers magazine owned the ex-race boat Skeeter in which he raced rival residents of simular means on Adirondack's Raquette lake (NY)circa 1910. This boat was powered by a 60HP 6cyl Speedway motor. Boat and motor are on display at the Adirondack Museum in Blue Mountain lake, New York. The collection also features a rare tunnel hull Mullins Launch and a very nice E.H. Godshalk launch. See Wendel's yellow book for photo of E.H. Godshalk 1904 Philadelphia built 4 cyl engine. Skeeter was raced in the 1905 Gold Cup event at Chippewa Bay; St.Lawrence river. Skeeter was faster than the winner "Chip" (HJ Leighton engine )but lost on rules interpertation.Engines racing in the 1905 Gold Cup included Leighton,Grant,Lozier,Hiete,Speedway, Darracq,Special,Trebert,Panhard.
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ABM

Dave,
Got knocked of line for 2 weeks by hurricane francis down here in Florida, did you post the 1907 picture of the Speedway engine ?? Was looking foreward to seeing it ??
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glad to see you are back online Richard! Hope you survived okay.
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Thanks Andrew,
Survived O.K. The state of Florida hasn't done so well though, three major hurricanes in a month's time and another on its way !
I may have to salvage that old Gray one Lunger once again before this hurricane season is over!
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Sorry that I have been out of pocket for the past week. Hurricane Ivan dropped a little nasty on us as the eye passed directly over our sailboat which we leave in Grenada for the hurricane season. The island nation and its people are devestated so the damage to our winter home seems trivial. I will be in Grenada next week to assist with rebuilding.

Thanks for all the help on the now named Speedway. I will post the add here as well as pricing from 1906. Sorry if the pricing is difficult to read but the 90 HP 6 cyliner was $4000

I will post a new one that we need more information on tomorrow.

Regards
Dave
Speedway
Speedway 1
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SPEEDWAY
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hello, I have a marine 4cylinder in line "Falcon fifteen" engine. 1926 I think. It came out of a work boat that was on the Bird expedition to the artic.I can not find anything on the manufacturer.Any help will be welcome. thanks
Steve
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Steve
Does the engine have a name plate on it ?
possible to post photos of plate and engine?
Byrd's first Antarctic expedition was in 1928 so if engine was used then the 1926 date could be close. Two other expeditions were undertaken,if on those, engine would be later !
You would think that only the very best equipment would be chosen for such an expedition, interesting to see what they used !
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The Speedway engines were manufactured by the Gas Engine & Power company / Charles L. Seabury & Co. (Consolidated) of Morris Heights, NY.

Charles Seabury was my Great Grandfather. Though our Family has donated most of the material pertaining to the engine works and shipyard to Mystic Seaport, I have retained some catalogues.

If anybody would like copies of these catalogues, they can contact me as indicated.

Thanks, Aye

Ned Buxton
wranglerned@sbcglobal.net

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