Home | Classifieds | History | Technical | Links | Store | About Us | Email
Topics Topics Edit Profile Profile Help/Instructions Help Member List Register  
Search Last 1|3|7 Days Search Search Tree View Tree View  

American Bosch

Old Marine Engine » Timers, Magnetos, Ignition » American Bosch « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2016 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello! Is there a way to fint out how old av Bosch magneto is ?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anybody know when American Bosch stopped using "the Red D***l" as their sign or logo ?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert

Post Number: 744
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe Splitdorf used that logo and that Bosch may have perpetuated it after taking over while they continued to produce some Splitdorf models. I could be wrong about that; you probably should ask over on Smokstak. What is the model number on yours?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BA 1 ED-19
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 3856
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*
In many years of collecting Old Marine Engines I had never seen one of these BA Bosch magnetos, a few weeks ago this little Carlyle Bud-E twin showed up and I researched the magneto and found very little information.
I have a copy of original 1915 catalog with this magneto and engine, it is also the smallest Bosch magneto made ?

1

2

3

4

5



*
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

AB 1AB 2AB 3AB 4
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

George Coates III
Member
Username: giii

Post Number: 17
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since it says Made in USA it is after the start of WWI when the US took over the German Bosch plant in Massachusetts. The BA were a series of 'miniature' magnetos primarily used on small motorcycles but also found applications on other small engines, mostly one cylinder units.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 3857
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*
This article says Bosch US first mfgr was 1912 ?

http://www.bosch.com/media/com/bosch_group/history/documents/firmenchronik/Bosch_History_at_a_Glance.pdf


This 1915 ad shows the BA bosch, the Bud-E came with copies of original catalogs dated 1915 same photo as in ad below.


bud15


I stopped searching the early American Bosch magnetos and trying to put a date on each mag, just no adequate verifiable original dated material-- so far ??



*
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

George Coates III
Member
Username: giii

Post Number: 18
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2016 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, the German Robert Bosch established a Springfield plant in 1912 manufacturing as Robert Bosch to avoid shipping and import tariffs. After the war broke out the US government took the plant and the name 'American Bosch' was used for many years to differentiate from the German Bosch. I trademark changed at the same time from 'Fritz the Flyer' to the 'AB'. The early BA seem to have been made in this era as some are marked Bosch and some American Bosch. Bosch numbered magnetos sequentially and 1,000,000 was in 1911. That is all I know since I have slept since I learned it.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My magneto does'nt have any name on it, only two marks with The Flyer or what he is called.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 19
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello again !
1919 seems to be the last year. Ad 1
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

George Coates III
Member
Username: giii

Post Number: 19
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oops! Was looking at Richard's magneto!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert

Post Number: 745
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for straightening things out George; it is "the Flyer" that Bosch used in their adverts.

Splitdorf had their own fella!

http://www.antiquefurnitureforthehome.com/png/350747446554_1.jpg

A quote from Robert Bosch: "I don't pay good wages because I have a lot of money, I have a lot of money because I pay good wages".

Some info on the BA1/BA2 (1 cylinder vs. 2 cylinders?) here:
http://www.oldcroak.com/robert-bosch/
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 20
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2016 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was wrong.....The Flyer was with Bosch until 1929-1930 but I still don't know when my magneto was made -and where. When I know that I'm getting closer to solve my problem.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 21
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 04:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Can anyone tell if mr Durgees magneto is older than mine or the opposite ?
Is mine made in Germany or USA ?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 3858
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*

Bosch BA-2 Serial # 3216512

2


Bosch BA-1 Serial # 3357015

1




*
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

George Coates III
Member
Username: giii

Post Number: 20
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To my knowledge, all German Bosch made in USA are stamped Bosch New York and all American Bosch are marked USA somewhere. The early German Bosch are marked Germany. I believe that American Bosch continued with sequential serial numbers as did German Bosch as they continued to be a prolific builder for the remainder of WWI and beyond.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 22
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

.....and my little fellow have non of these markings......sigh!
Got a german copy of a BA1 instruktion manual and it does not look like mine on the outside.
Thanks anyway to The magnetoguys.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 23
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

.....and my little fellow have non of these markings......sigh!
Got a german copy of a BA1 instruktion manual and it does not look like mine on the outside.
Thanks anyway to The magnetoguys.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

RichardDurgee
Senior Member
Username: richarddurgee

Post Number: 3861
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

*

BA-2 serial number 3216512


BAUSA


Says patented, I looked at US patent records briefly and could not find it ??


*
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2016 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same side on mine
BA 1
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert

Post Number: 749
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could it be that Bosch supplied mags without obvious markings for the Scandinavian market, or parts of it? Things German weren't too popular in Denmark for example, after the little disagreement over Schleswig-Holstein!

But more to the point, are we sure this mag is original to the Gray engine, and if so, therefore came supplied from the USA? Or was it fitted in Sweden, either by a/the Gray agent, or just someone who owned the engine at some point?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if Gray had any agent in Sweden/Norway before WWII after that we have several Gray Phantoms but before I have'nt heard of anyone. Perhaps someone on the forum knows if they were represented in scandinavia ? Before WWI german Bosch were common during and after SEM was the only alternative.
One more odd thing is the 7 ft long propellershaft the propeller, shifthandle and everything around that is original Gray if it was taken home with an returning swede why carry that stuff all the way ? He could easily get that here.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert

Post Number: 753
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2016 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So the prop and shaft are marked "Gray" somewhere?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 05:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do You know where I should look for marks or do You know about some pictures or drawings that I can compare with ?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Robert
Senior Member
Username: robert

Post Number: 757
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Around the propeller hub is the obvious first place to lock, but I understood your post at 3:17pm to mean that you had already found Gray markings on those parts(?)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 29
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2016 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sorry if I have misled You, never ment that.

Prop 1Prop 2Prop 3
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 51
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello. If anybody interested I have an imstruction book for the BA-1 magneto on a PDF too big to post here.Its an american version from 1921 or earlier
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2017 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My mag is US made 1914 or earlier
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kjell Åke Persson
Senior Member
Username: early_iron

Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2016
Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2017 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

B
AB = American Bosch

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Bold text Italics Underline Create a hyperlink Insert a clipart image

Username: Posting Information:
This is a public posting area. Enter your username and password if you have an account. Otherwise, enter your full name as your username and leave the password blank. Your e-mail address is optional.
Password:
E-mail:
Options: Automatically activate URLs in message
Action:

Administration Administration Log Out Log Out   Previous Page Previous Page Next Page Next Page

Home | Classifieds | History | Technical | Links | Store | About Us | Email
&copy 2005 OldMarineEngine.com, P.O. Box 188, Forest Dale, VT 05745-0188 • Phone: 802-247-4864 • All rights reserved.
   Marine Engine Seloc Repair Manual Lookup Tool

marine gas engine repair and restoration